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my name is Ellen Sokka and I'm the director of a campus event speakers program and I have just one announcement for you and that's that on Thursday May 9th at the wodsworth theatre campus events and public lectures and the
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undergraduate English department will be bringing you Tom wolf who wrote the electric kool-aid acid test from our house to bath from ba house to our house and the right stuff so you want to look
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for information about that in the Bruin now I'd like to introduce you to Leon Sharpe who is the I Triple E president and member of the engineering society hello as she said I'm Lee Ann sharp and I'm
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here to introduce Frank Herbert but before we do that we have a couple of announcements we have to do in conjunction for engineers week one tomorrow at noon in the Court of Sciences will be having the egg drop off
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the top of Boulder Hall and the car races so if you'd like to come out and see that we'd all appreciate it and then Friday will be having the 16th annual paper airplane contest we'll fly those off a bolter Hall and then we'll also
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have a talent show that night and then tomorrow we're going to be also having Brian Tilly talking about fiber optics on the third floor of Ackerman and Friday we'll be having a speaker on the
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space shuttle which will be in the second floor lounge of Ackerman and then thirdly we'd like to announce the winners in our drawing we had yesterday at the microcomputer fair and the winner
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for the computer is ruth yoon why double oh and she's a computer science graduate and for the HP calculator is Fernando Bravo and then we have two winners for
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the Intel puzzles which is Gerald or excuse me Gerald Lyon Ellie and Todd selbo so if they're here or you know them tell them to come by 4800 bolter hall to come
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claim their prizes and that's it for the announcements for engineers week and I'd like to introduce Frank Herbert he's written many books 27 and all probably most familiar with the Dune
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series he's also written things like the eyes of Heisenberg the white plague worlds of Frank Herbert and his newest book chapter house 1 it's another book in the dune series when it was shipped three days later it was on the
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bestseller list of New York and it's number 2 in the Dalton and Walden books their bestseller lists he currently resides in the Olympian Peninsula in Washington and has a winter home in
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Hawaii and today will he be talking about is mythology of futurism and so afterwards we have microphones on either side if you have questions you like to ask him just use those and then after
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that we'll be having a book signing in the back and if you don't have the book you'd like to purchase it it's back there and now I'd like to introduce Frank Herbert hi gang this is water not Jim how's that
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you hear me okay yeah okay I thought I would talk about the mythology of futurism because this is one of the things I've addressed for a great many years longer than I care to tell you
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about and I'd like to begin by telling you what got me started on it in 1933 Franklin Roosevelt appointed a group
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that you may have heard about it's called the brain trust the brain trust was supposed to lay out the course of hard science and social development for
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the next 25 years through 1958 right the interesting thing to me was to look at what they did not mention no transistors
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no atomic energy no antibiotics no faster than sound travel no space probes
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I mean the u2 preceded that you see and no world war two now it struck me that those things had some sort of influence
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on those 25 years so I started looking at prediction and I've been following it very carefully ever since Herman Kahn the late Herman
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Kahn fascinated me because he was another one of these absolutist as Roosevelt was because by appointing the brain trust he was playing along with this mythology that you can lay out the
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future the whole idea of the futures me is rather interesting because that's almost a Presbyterian statement if it's the future it's already there and we're
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just approaching it nothing's going to change well it'll just unfold suddenly and there it'll be so the future is one
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of these great mythological statements that's buried in the language what I'm addressing is this whole idea of absolutes and your helplessness in the
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face of such overwhelming movements in mankind now we get overwhelmed occasionally but I think each of us has a future and lots of times individuals
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can have a tremendous influence on the futures of all of us I don't have to list the people from Michelangelo on just from that time to make this an important statement to you
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Einstein these people said they're almost on a one track they said hey this is this is fascinating and I'm going to
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study it and see what I can discover and this is the door I would like to open to you especially it's one of the reasons one of the major reasons I came here today because you are engineering
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students now your movers you take the substance of our universe and you do things with it now I've been playing that game for years because when I'm not writing books I'm experimenting with a
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dedicated word processor that we've been working on for five years I'm building with my own hands things to reduce the energy load of my
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house in the northwest making solar collectors out of grab-bag materials seconds in thermopane and beer cans was fun getting them
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two girls together and these things work I made a methane collector out of truck inner tubes which wasn't well it was
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successful it allowed me to use the methane from poultry manure to singe them when we slaughtered them and put them down in the freezer which I called using everything about the pig including
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the squeal when I wrote dragon in the sea my preferred title was under pressure about submersible carriers for
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liquid cargo I experimented and made models found out hiding how to get a hydrostatic balance with different cargoes with oil and whatnot so that
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when I wrote the book I was speaking from personal knowledge I went down in a submarine at the dock they took me down
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they couldn't take it out in Puget Sound but they could bet the dockside with wring ties submerge it to show me how it worked so I went down in a submarine I did all of these things because how we
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influence our surroundings the impact of human effort on the world around us is the most fascinating thing about our world to me
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I wrote the doom series because I had this idea that charismatic leaders ought to come with a warning label on the forehead maybe dangerous to your health
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I mean I think the most dangerous president we've had there one of the most dangerous at least not because he was a bad guy but because people didn't question him one of the most dangerous presidents that we've had in this
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century was Jack Kennedy because people said yes sir mr. Carey vadik leader what do we do next and we wound up in Vietnam people don't realize that he was one of the major moving
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forces getting us into Vietnam because he locked us into a commitment there and I think probably the most valuable president of this century was Richard
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Nixon because he taught us to distrust government and he did it by example which is the best kind of teaching well anyway I
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wanted to do this thing about messiahs and charismatic leaders mmm why do nine hundred people go to Guyana and drink poison kool-aid why do the citizens of
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an entire nation most of the citizens anyway say Sieg Heil and murder some three million Jews and Gypsies why do
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they not question their leaders okay I was going to do this book when I started researching a lot of things really the research is oh boy that's the fun part anthropology comparative religions
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dependi ology I spent six years preparing and in the middle of all of that I went down to a place on the coast of Oregon called Florence Oregon because
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I was supporting a very expensive writing habit by being a journalist I was going to do an article about the US Department of Agriculture's project at Florence Oregon to control sand dunes
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now sand dunes are like slow-motion waves they'll move across roads across highways they'll inundate whole
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plantations of forests but they do it slowly and I was flying an airplane over this experimental project this test
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station on the coast of Oregon leaning out the window taking pick the desert of course is the wilderness of the Bible and these in the desert the wilderness is where a great many religions have
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originated and I started researching ecology how we inflict ourselves upon the planet well after six years of this marvelous leaf interesting
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research I had the system loaded and I sat down to do a book the book as I conceived of it was the first three books there were one book in my head and
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I told my agent this and after he recovered from his heart attack he said do you think you could split it into three at least maybe four well I split it into three and I thought I was
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through with it except that I had created a character in the third one who would not leave my head now authors have a solution to that we can write them into having done that I had opened
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Pandora's box and I was having so much fun with it I told people I would continue to write doom books as long as they interested me and as long as they
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interested the readers and that's what I've been doing I have been having fun with what I do which if I give you nothing else about what you do with your
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lives and these interesting things that you've learned in this excellent educational institution institution is a marvelous word find something that you
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like to do and even if you're supporting your habit buy something that you don't like as well - together that's what I did by becoming
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a journalist remember that there's nothing at all wrong with saying that the Protestant ethic is full of it that it's all right to
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enjoy your work you don't have to fight your way out of bed every morning you can get up every morning eager to go do whatever it is you do have a love affair
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with your with your world and remember that you're not going to be able to predict every consequence of what you do there is so much what I do on that
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experimental farm in the northwest that II what I'm doing the farm in the country where you go and become absolute version of the home built catch that you
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get into and sail off to a South Sea Island where brown-skinned masons pour coconut juice in your mouth not to mention the same crabs and the Flies and
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other things that are down there mythology is a great beckoner it says come on come on it's great in here come on examine your mythologies examine your
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absolutist criteria question things I have the most fun that I'm writing questioning things that people do not question the assumptions that everybody
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knows are true I'm going to declare a heresy for you all science if you go
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back into its ruts saying why do I believe this well I believe this because of these tests and this this proof well why do I believe this why did I set up
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this test why did I believe that proof all science goes back to something that we believe because we believe it we
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believe it because we believe it and we have no proof for it it's like a religion so when you dig into the roots of
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science a gray area at the bottom but it's like a balloon and the surfaces word the computer science has given us I
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love this language the surface of the balloon is their face with what we do not know inside the balloon as we blow into it is what we have proved okay but
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as we increase what we think we know we increase our exposure to what we do not know this is one of the inevitable laws
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of our universe but isn't it more interesting to live in a universe where there are unknowns to discover new lands
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to explore then to live in an absolute box where when you find the edge that's it maybe no place to go from there I
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like the fact that we cannot predict everything I like the fact that we live in a universe or anything may happen because the alternative to me is a
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constricting dead end in my original conception of the first d'un book those first three books I had Paul blind in the second book because to my way of
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thinking that was the ultimate exploration of absolute prediction he did not need to see he knew what was going to happen he knew
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who was all around him without eyes now you think about that a minute I will give you a full minute to think about it you start squirming in your seats but
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thank you right now an absolute unvarying in Lehren to you from this moment here in this room to the moment of your death I can't really be an
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absolute utter boor your life would be instant replay you'd be sitting there now saying oh you're next he's going to say oh my god is saying it and you would
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not be able to change a thing there now this really states the fallacy that Herman Kahn wanting to set our future in
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concrete I'm sorry about that and Roosevelt and others find it so difficult to face it is the unexpected
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the surprises that make the important differences in our lives even some of the nasty surprises now I said that I
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was going to give you about a half hour to ask questions because as far as I'm concerned this is not communication now
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I'm up here playing lecturer and you're down there playing audience and we each know the role don't we we've played it
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before we learned this very young we learned how to find out what that figure up there once and then we regurgitate that for them I came on the fallacy of
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this before I get into the Q&A I came on the fallacy of this one time when I was in the fourth grade ten years old I had a teacher who had been a teacher for a long time
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she was a large woman you know any know any women who have wear tight sleeves and their flesh bulges out she was one of those and she were these glasses that looked like the bottoms of coke bottles
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and her class just bored the hell out of me I would read the book and I know the answers and so I come to class to throw
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spit wads and do other disruptive things and I was continually being asked to stay after school and she was one of these ruler users you know whole dr. palm fireman she could have been a nun
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without any trouble at all anyway I had done something terrible in class I don't know what it was but she brought me up finally to sit beside her desk and she had a chair beside her desk no talk
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Amada I think designed this set up the chair sat so that my knees were exposed beyond the edge of her desk and she sat
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right there correcting papers forever now an imaginative tend I don't know what to do to you and your imagination can construct a lot of things that she will do to you including the bastinado
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I was terrified and I sat there and i sat there sweating it out not able to utter a word and finally she would had a platform in her chair swiveled wheels on
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it and she wheeled over right in front of me and she was right there and she said I don't know what to do with you well I made an ultimate mistake right
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there because teachers go to special courses to learn how to deal with problem children and
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how not to lose their cool so I said why are you mad at me I was practically crying she got all red in the face reached for it and grabbed my shoulders and she was shaking me pulling me up to
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those pop bottles and back saying I'm not mad I'm not mad I mean it doesn't take a genius to see that she's mad but what's coming out of her mouth disagrees
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with that so what I learned right there I didn't put it all together but I learned to be watchful I learned that you don't pay as much attention to what
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people say as to what they do what they do is the real jungle Telegraph that tells you what they're really up to
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now it is that jungle Telegraph that is a main leitmotif of my writing what's underground where does the word yatra
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genic come from it means a disease or other difficulty created by the doctor or what is done to you in the name of the doctor why is it that we keep
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approaching the problem of hard drugs the same way even though we know the system doesn't work it never has and we know that at least 75% of the new users
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we have good good solid information on this from studies that have been made by s RI and others that at least 75% of the new users are not joyriders they're people turned on to the hard drugs by
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the existing addicts to build a market to support their own habits so why don't we look at it and say hey we're not going to really eliminate the problem
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but we may be able to reduce the impact on our society by taking the profit out of it only about 11 and a half
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percent of the new users are joyriders the rest are created by medicine and other factors more than 75% are created by the system but we have a big
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bureaucracy and a big criminal system that supports itself on it with a lot of money is the supports of big bureaucracy it has enough money on the criminal side to buy FBI agents I hope you all read the news and know
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this is true to buy whole strings of border guards to buy the briefcases of invoice from foreign countries to buy
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the key to the police storeroom in New York City do you know what happened to the heroin in the French Connection it disappeared from the police storeroom in
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New York City it just vanished isn't that amazing so if we take the profit out of it and turn it over to the Public Health Service and say ok we know
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we're not going to solve the problem this way but we will look Reese at least reduce the arena in which it occurs if we make could available that $0.50 a
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crack at a public health survey right out of it then we have because most of the theft in New York City and other major cities right now supports the heroin and other hard drugs the rug out
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from under the criminal syndicate are on major element of the criminals criminal syndicate but we have also done something else we had or and who's not who's guilty and who's innocent in a
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different way and a lot of people have trouble with that we want to know who the goats are the sacrificial goat sir but I'm suggesting to you that we could do this practically overnight when they
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did it in England what happened immediately was fascinating well the first thing was that the criminal syndicate turned to major robberies
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that's when that big Train holdup occurred in England because we had taken a large part of their income away from them okay enough of these crazy ideas from a crazy
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science fiction writer grand canyon between us I wish were not there I wish were sitting in a room with a few beers and wrapping but we can't do that okay what's on your minds but ask me a
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question show me ahead what's this guy down here the Benny just read in the book dunya when we do it with cattle and dogs and the aristocrats of our world have done
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it for centuries the question is do I think it's wrong to meddle in the random matiee of genetic selection I was making
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a point that unexpected things can happen I've made that point several times in different books that was that was what I was doing I know we're going to do these things we have done them in
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the past and we're going to do them again so I was just saying what happens what if which is the beautiful door that's open in science fiction why I write it there's lots of elbow room I
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was saying that the Bene gestured had been doing this for a long time they had this end in mind and they got something they did not expect do you see what I'm saying yeah okay any more questions
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there's another question right over here speak up so I can hear you well oh the hold on this guy at the mic over here hi my name's Paul twine I would like to know what inspired you to write the book what what what inspired you to write
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down what is but I wanted to treat with a treat an idea about how and how much do we contribute to the power they hold over us and as it is today the rest is
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history I decided I was going to write by the way when I was aged eight how many of you in here want to write hey good come on in the water's fine and the
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competition really don't forget about the competition we're not competition the more of us who are writing well the more people are going to read and the better it is for all of us mr. Herbert I'm on your right okay over there oh
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yeah as a major author of great creativity and insight you have gained the respect of millions yet gee watch out for my head it's coming up like a balloon I think it's gonna get down to this that
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yet you have chosen to cast token gay characters in a negative light the images that you present in your popular work dune and it's movie specifically can only I didn't do the movie you
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understand that can only promote bigotry and violence against lesbians and gay men and what I was doing with with the with the gay population there I was only
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saying one thing I was saying that that homosexuality is a natural occurrence in our society in your teens you're naturally this way and some people are beyond and primitive societies have
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dealt with it in a different way than our society deals with it and lots of times we create the aberrant gay and there are aberrant gagis as their aberrant to other individuals by our
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social reactions to them and I just gave you an aberrant gay in the in the doom books but what I was also saying to you was that sadomasochism sometimes as a
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part of this I can give you chapter and verse on that and that gays have a heart much harder problem coming out of the social pressures than the rest of us do
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in many instances but I didn't have anything else in mind for this that was what I was doing well I hope that in the future that you portray in any books that you do write in the future do in fact well there's some other thing I'll
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simply represent lesbians and gays in a manner consistent with your non lesbian non gay characters well there's another thing I was saying is that gays have opted to not continue the species
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that's just true now yeah it's a choice anybody can make I've made that choice
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of I do lady because they're enough of us already I mean I didn't I had three children and a 35-year marriage and my wife died I thought that was the end of
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it of course that's what I'm saying now a person doesn't a person doesn't choose and it happens but it happens for
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a lot of reasons sometimes it happens for psychological reasons well it's a lot more difficult that is going to be a sensation hello mr. Herbert yep hi on your left
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I'd like to thank you for the enjoyment you give me through your books you really get on through enjoy it and I was wondering in your book dude series the been together it seems like peridot
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honored madres what kind of a wild offshoot yeah but but much more rambunctious my ways but most of the time willing to take a backseat and be
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the kingmakers rather than to get up front and be the king which can have its bad points you know because we tend to treat people with power rather badly
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occasionally you see I think that there is a bad idea around in our world and that idea is that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely I think what really
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happens is that power attracts the corruptible and been reading the news out of bond called the Kremlin the Pentagon I would make it a criminal
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offense for any military officer to accept after retirement in fact to accept giving the Fox the key to the
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chicken coop and of course we get gold-plated weapons and whatnot that are absolutely useless I can document I was a correspondent in Vietnam risked my
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neck over there to learn at firsthand I can document that trying to gold plate the m16 cost us about ten to fifteen thousand ten thousand fifteen thousand lives in Vietnam cross Vietnam was a
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disaster from word one but the military made all kinds of Grievous errors over there I was fascinated by the thing around Westmoreland because I hoped against hope that he
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would never win that case not because I thought he was a liar but I know we relied to over there I can document that in the fresh morning didn't know it that's I know the difficulties in
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adapting literature to the screen but I really felt cheated in the way they changed the ending for to okay let me give you a capsule history of how that happened there's about five hours of dune on film the distributors want a
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film of about two hours so they can show it more than once in a day and get their money and they put the arm on Universal to cut it that much but now there's a kind of a little underground movement to
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put all that film back in there and create a miniseries and if they do I will try again I tried before and failed
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I will try again to change the ending and get that damn rainstorm out of there because I'm sorry have any trouble hearing you okay I just this is a horse
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pucky interesting and useful things with the knowledge you have gained here and this one you can elaborate on your experiments with a self-sufficient
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environment or as part of our social glue I think it is dangerous everybody go off and become their own little thing okay well I think when I read your read your books you have a little they had a
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little note on you in the back and said you're dealing with an energy solution means so that's right okay I wonder if you could elaborate on that oh you want me to elaborate on what I did up there yeah it's okay well we played with a
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Panna Mon G I don't have to explain a Panama in to this audience doing we played with a panna mon wind machine and well i'm a pilot and so we went back to
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what we've learned from aircraft design and redesigned the blades keeping in mind that we wanted something could be stamped out rather quickly the way they're stamping them out over here ten-foot
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tall model on the roof of a shop in Astoria Oregon produces seven-and-a-half horsepower in a 50 knot wind but the important thing is it works in a 50 knot wind
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how many of you have seen this windmill orchard over on the way to the desert yeah horizontal axis wind machines they're a dead-end street they have to be feathered out when you can win gets
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around 35 knots we need something that can be used in high winds ours is designed to operate in an IT not wind and we patented it nobody seems to be
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interested in it yet but we're back redesigning it and improving it a wrecked truck a van for a hundred and fifty dollars an hour ten to twenty
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times streets on a backcountry Road all I had to do was phone down to the sheriff's uh bureaucracy has taken over well that was one of the reasons I chose this small town to do this sort of thing
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we experimented with a duck pond duck manure is a great sealant for the bottom of ponds and we created a culture in the
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pond that would grow lots of algae and it fed the Ducks about half their food so we raise ducks with about half the input of purchased foods and they were quite healthy ducks they tasted nice too
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canard a L'Orange from your own pond well if you don't have fun doing these things why do them that's what we did up
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the hours and we did it just before oil started to skyrocket that's what we did and that's what you can do that answer your question okay yes I have a question about your
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career choices I think I read somewhere that you had once considered a career in marine biology as a marine well no I'd been a idle uncle who was one of the first agriculturists in the Pacific
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Northwest he brought in oysters in a place called Henderson Cove and he also used some Japanese exchange students from the University of Washington
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fisheries department during the summer to work for him and I went over there and they taught me what they knew about oysters culture and I didn't think of this as a career to follow it was an
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interesting thing I did for a time what I had almost became was a professional historian I did that one time
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that was a possible career choice yes I don't know beyond that probably not and is is duncan is the noble savage of
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course in this this continent was the American Indian who did everything right not quite once the horse got in here things were very very different and even
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without the horse the Indians probably would have wiped out the Buffalo before long because they had developed a system of of driving them off cliffs and taking
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what they could so even primitive societies do not always make the best choices they operate without any real
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awareness of how they wipe out their substance the sustenance that they depend on just the way are tied to each other Canadian links will kill off enough rabbits that the population drops
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dramatically the Lynx population drops the rabbit population comes up the Lynx population comes up and it's just a sine curve so that's the kind of game I'm playing
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okay over here where I can see you hi mr. Herbert I'd like to start out by saying I've enjoyed your books very much you're supposed to know if you don't
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enjoy them I'm cheating you okay some books are not designed for pleasure though so and you got a lot of those here I would imagine in dune there are some aspects of that book such as the
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butlering jihad and some of the conditions on dune itself which prevents a kind of free reign of scientific knowledge and the
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use of science most most science fiction has kind of a negative view of science and views it as kind of a a potential
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monster anti nature force no it's a natural force I wanted we're not going to know your opinion on yeah we're natural we're part of nature what we produce is part of nature it is the
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interpretation of consequences that interest me anyway what happens when you do this you see I think that one of the most serious errors that we made as a
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democracy was the creation of a civil service and it was sold to us on the basis of a lie the lie was that that was the only way to correct the excesses of the spoil system it was not the only way
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but what it did was it took a greater and greater element of power out of the control of the voter it watered down
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your vote and every bureaucracy of this kind in history and I have read my history carefully every such bureaucracy eventually becomes an aristocracy just
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as it has in the Soviet Union they have demonstrated the truth of what I'm telling you they have developed an aristocratic bureaucracy over their water that what are the tests of an aristocracy
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the aristocrats get all the perks they don't have to stand in lines to get their meat they have cars they have servants they have special dyes for their vacations but the ultimate test is
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do they pass the power along to their children yeah they do it quite openly now and it's announced in Pravda we're a
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long way down that road in the United States we don't have to go down that road and I hope we don't because I believe I really believe in power to the people I think if you put responsibility
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on people we rise to the occasion and I know a lot of closeted aristocrats in our society some calling themselves liberal and some calling themselves
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conservative who are fostering this bureaucratic growth and it doesn't make a damn bit of difference whether it's a fascist bureaucracy so-called capitalist
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or oligarchic bureaucracy or a communist or socialist bureaucracy to the people looking up at the bottom of it they're identical when was the last time you
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were treated courteously by a bureaucrat they don't have to treat you courteously you can't fire them you can't vote them out of office okay have I kind of
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skirted around this to answer some of your question at least well I basically wanted to know what your view on science itself on science itself okay on science
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I speak to a lot of political science audiences and I love to get in front of them and ask them how many of you believe politics is a science there's a
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mythology of science science really what most of us write is technological fiction we say what will happen if this technological development
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coming out of science admittedly runs this course what happens to the society to individuals in the society my view of science is that it is a natural
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outgrowth of man's curiosity and therefore it is natural it is the consequences of what we bring up that we have to deal with and it's very
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important extremely important increasingly important that we start looking into how we interact as societies on one planet that's all we
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have now I am NOT a hot gospel ecologist we got into these problems together we've got to get out of them together I don't believe in trying to find the
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guilty and saying get them and put in a new gang if I had been born in my grandfather's time I would have made my grandfather's mistakes I just think it's
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nonsense stupidity to make my grandfather's mistakes today that's my view of science thank you in your books you stress individual
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responsibilities I bet we have difficulty hearing you can you get all of them in your books she stress individual responsibility and I was wondering what you think we as a society
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can do to promote this since it doesn't exist ruin I don't think a society can do it I think individuals have to do it what do you think we as individuals can do well you all can make choices you
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know and we all have to make choices in what we perceive as good and evil I had to speak at a Jesuit University at their commencement exercises not long ago I'll give you the speech I got up and I said
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you're all graduating today and you expect me to tell you what you will face out there in that big real world the only thing I'm going to tell you is that if only one of you chose us to live by
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the golden rule this will be a better world when I sat down the applause lasted longer than the speech I think they were applauding the sharpness of
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the speech but but you see if you do look at your fellow human beings as individuals with feelings and hangups
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the way you have some and say well if I can help you I will I'll try not to exacerbate your problems I won't always
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succeed but that's my main goal then this is a better world but you have to make the choice individually and you have to make it all the time you can't make it once for the rest of your life
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you can be like some people are and you say well if I don't George will I mean no that just makes two of you you've seen you can each lean on each other and say I'm doing it because George did
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doesn't judge me and say I'm doing it because you're doing it so don't fall into that trap and yeah people will take advantage of you of you if you try to live this way
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but they hurt themselves more than they hurt you they really do I'm happy with my life I have no trouble at all looking in the mirror every day most
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days anyway I make mistakes but and shaving every morning I do shave no beard now it's just an ongoing
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commitment that you have to make and you have to do it individually and society cannot do it for you I am concerning me
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I have two questions first concerning the a 7th June book your planning do you have a plan to have it like go back in the history of the saga to you know kind of explore the rise of the guild and do
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a prequel you mean yeah yeah that's it yeah I'm going to it we'll do a short story or not.let on this in the next year okay great and my second question is did Lucas ever pay off on that dinner
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he owes you know Lucas has never admitted that they copied a lot of doing I'm not saying they did I'm just saying that there are 16 points of identity between the book Doon and Star Wars now
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you've had stat what what is it it's 16 times 16 16 times over 1 the odds against that being coincidence there aren't that many stars in the universe
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thank you very much I think he at least also said dinner if only out of coincidence hi mr. Herbert I just wanted to announce that we only have time for two or three more questions and okay also remind people that there will be a
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book signing afterwards why don't we why don't we knock it off with a question here and a question there okay with the widespread use of the computer and dependency on it being such a recent
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phenomenon I find it fascinating that destination void was written when it was and my question is when you wrote that did you have the Jesus incident in mind or was that a later idea no that was a
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later I did the Jesus incident was the destination void was an exploration of our unconscious commitment to the idea that the only thing wrong with the
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universe is that we haven't invented the right machine yet yes okay my question concerns I'm your creative process when you write when you have a book when you
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write your books it's a whole new world ecology etc etc and then there's characters interacting in it what comes first how does it develop as you like the chicken or the egg okay what comes
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first an idea often and then I people it I say this is has to happen to somebody and then it has to happen somewhere now science fiction gives you the option of
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having an enormous open universe out there where you can have it happen anywhere you can invent that's why I write science fiction and I have to close it down now because there are a
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lot of other things going on today I've enjoyed this being with you and I wish we could wrap together and smaller groups sometimes
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