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um uh we we have and and just to say like where people can start we have we'll actually have five of the six we're still struggling with the arabic but that's another story um but of course the first place is figuring out which
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language version we're gonna go with um so some of the ideas you know i'm thinking about is annotation strategies like you have something this project's going on it's like wait a minute i'm i'm involved with this kind of oer i'm doing
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this this open textbook or i'm involved in this consortium effort and i think there's going to be a place to hang my project here and i think that's valid and i think that might be one of the hooks is for people to say like put something in that that they're focusing
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on that they're doing research on there's nothing wrong with that because it'd be great to have people plug in their academic scholarly community activities where they fit and support the recommendation the other way
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i think about is you kind of come in and you're gonna i'm gonna scroll down and scroll down and scroll down a lot of the intros you could look at what other people have already annotated
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and add examples and that's certainly one thing but you know when we get down here into the recommendation and i'm going to there's the capacity building and the areas of action and you know we've had
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some annotation here so i'm thinking about um and i had this laid out before and yeah the inclusive and equitable oer thing so
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i was looking at this one part here that i'm highlighting this section b supporting our stakeholders develop gender sensitive culturally and linguistically relevant or and to create
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local language oer particular in indigenous language which are less used under-resourced and endangered so i think what you don't want to do is what i have here you don't want to like annotate that whole phrase because there's so much in here so
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i think part of the understanding is like getting very specific would you say so remy what what would you annotate out of this section yeah i mean there's a lot here and i agree that even with my students in a kind of course context i'm always you
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know reminding them like one of the beauties with this particular tool and this social annotation practices that the granularity of what we call the anchor text or whatever that you've highlighted can really be
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quite small and so rather than you know selecting entire paragraphs maybe there's just a word or two that really again brings some nuance to that particular phrase so yes i mean you're right here you know
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this is quite a quite a phrase to unpack right i mean there's just so much in here but again i think it speaks to the nature of the document and so this becomes maybe you know if i'm going to pull out a little bit of a literary analogy here the
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difference between telling versus showing right the recommendation is telling us this it's telling us to support oer stakeholders as they develop this right and so the question becomes like well who's done gender sensitive
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you know or development who's done work that is culturally you know linguistically relevant right who can share an example of an oer that's in a particular you know local language or an indigenous language and this is where we might again
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proactively reach out to folks and invite in that example or i could also see this you know kind of crossing into social media in some respects by saying like hey like
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do you have an example of you know oer that's uh you know culturally and linguistically relevant if so like reply to this tweet now without getting you know belaboring the technical side of this here if someone who is an open
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educational you know advocate or practitioner shares an example let's say on twitter well that tweet could be linked to and your job alan or somebody else this case could actually be to curate that
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and to say highlight just the words culturally and linguistically relevant oer and say a great example was shared by so and so here's their tweet and then this hypothesis annotation
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thing which some people might not feel comfortable again joining could point to somebody's example let's say on twitter where that again is a more let's say you know everyday social media environment
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where people like oh here's an example and here's an example and then the evidence that is curated here points to examples that way and so again i see that there's one that need to be pretty particular
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about identifying the examples maybe working in other digital spaces to elicit those examples and then having someone serve as a bit of a curator or a facilitator saying here's an example
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that points over here um if someone's not again willing to take the 30 seconds to create a free hypothesis account you know and add in their own annotation which i get i also get that too yeah
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that is i'm gonna run with that idea because um also because you because um every annotation has a unique url so you can draw people in to say like look we really we're looking for specific things
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that that demonstrate um gender sensitive um relevant oer and because there's obviously so much out there like just this one sentence could could be bombarded with that too
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many annotations problem and so when i was you know when i was thinking about this because i'm trying to do some little demo videos to to talk about this process i just did some searching and i ended up
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on this um afghanistan digital library that's of oers that's like in six different um arabic languages in in afghanistan and then i'm wandering down this rabbit hole they have a whole
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project where they make this entire resource available as a standalone install for use in places where internet connectivity is low and that's another that's down the page in terms of the
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recommendation but like you know just in looking for the things um and the discovery i think that's where and i think um i don't know whether paul or my colleague isla has we're talking about making this into an oer itself
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well i think that's important so here's what this is great alan and this is why i love deepening the conversation because here we are about 40 some odd minutes into this conversation and i'm actually this is why it's so good to think together and to make you make your
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thinking visible as i'm realizing that maybe the purpose of this annotated version needs to be very clearly framed
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for those people who you see as contributing even just to the annotations and so again i've been thinking about this to some degree as kind of like the conversation space and i think i've said that
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in a variety of different ways even in this discussion is like well here's a place where advocates and practitioners of open education could kind of show up it's almost like let's say a happy hour or like a brunch and people are getting
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together and they're going to just kind of riff and talk about open education in all of its various manifestations using the recommendation as that source text now that's a little bit more free form
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it actually might lack some of the examples that you're looking to elicit and it may create actually paul's point earlier just actually a lot of noise that although maybe inspiring or maybe kind of very
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collegial might not actually provide some of the evidence some of the examples that you really wish to highlight and so a very different purpose of this
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annotated version of the recommendation may be to actually be a space that curates and so the recommendation is less about discussing it
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or even discussing how wonderful open education is or how problematic it can be or how just challenging it is to really do it whatever it is but rather to say if we need examples of oh we are
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that is in this case gender sensitive that's the phrasing here i want to help curate other people's examples of that and really use this actually as a hub that curates examples and evidence and
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maybe some of the complexities associated with this that's a very different purpose for annotating the document and it's a very different reason why other readers
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would want to visit this and then access the layer of annotations other readers might want to access this not as than a future participant in the conversation
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but they might want to access the annotated version because they're looking for more information they're actually looking for a kind of central hub of some of this to really again show and not just tell
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so maybe uh i'm gonna ask paul maybe to speak to because we are going we're not we're there's a reason we're doing all this um you know it's kind of a year-long effort um or more
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um but in terms of um you know um actually you know making sure that this recommendation becomes something that we that's implemented that we see in the world that actually has action
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um and so um you know parts of it do but um we're trying to go towards um something that that can synthesize some meaning and direction of this but um i'm trying to like put some words out there
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but maybe we do need to be more clear as to where we're going with this yeah i really and i really like that idea about it being that there could be a curatorial
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purpose behind the invitation to engage in the annotation activity one observation i have is that you know there are five distinct action
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areas in this recommendation and when even if we looked at in response to our call for proposals which our conference this year was focused on the unesco oer recommendation you see lots of proposals
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coming in around capacity building let's say but hardly any coming in around sustainability and so maybe curation can happen in the area of capacity building but
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maybe we need discussion and a kind of different motivation for the action area that pertains to sustainability because there may not be a lot to curate currently and so so it's
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sort of um potentially a segmentation of the recommendation into different categories
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