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. THOSE ARE YOUR HEADLINES, BRIAN, OVER TO YOU. >> Brian: THANKS SO MUCH, CARLEY. OUR NEXT GUEST GREW UP ON THE WEST BANK WHERE HIS FATHER WAS A FOUNDING MEMBER OF HAMAS. HE WAS GROOMED TO TAKE A SENIOR ROLE BEFORE HE TURNED ON THE TERRORIST GROUP IN PRISON.
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SPYING FOR ISRAEL NOW, CONVERTING TO CHRISTIANITY AND ULTIMATELY SEEKING ASYLUM IN THE U.S. WE GOT MORE THAN EVER -- MOSAB, GREAT TO SEE YOU.
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WE WOULD LOVE TO KNOW THE INSIGHT OF THIS GROUP AND HOW THEY WERE ABLE TO PULL OFF WHAT THEY DID OCTOBER 7TH. TELL THE AUDIENCE YOUR BACK GROUND, PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T READ YOUR BOOK. >> YOU KNOW, I WAS BORN AT THE
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HEART OF HAMAS LEADERSHIP. I KNOW THEM VERY WELL THEY DON'T CARE FOR PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. THEY DON'T REGARD HUMAN LIFE. I SAW THEIR BRUTAL FIRSTHAND
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BACK IN 1996 WHEN I SPENT ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF IN A PRISON. YOU KNOW, THEY KILLED SO MANY PALESTINIAN PEOPLE AT THAT TIME. AND THIS IS WHEN I DECIDED THAT I CANNOT BE TOGETHER WITH THIS MOVEMENT.
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IN FACT, I ASKED A QUESTION WHAT IF THEY BECOME A RULING PARTY AT SOME POINT, WHAT WILL THEY DO? IF THEY SUCCEED IN DESTROYING ISRAEL AND BUILDING THEIR STATE, WHAT WILL THEY DO? THEY WILL KILL OUR PEOPLE. AND THIS WAS THE FIRST QUESTION,
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YOU KNOW, THAT ACTUALLY I HAD TO BE HONEST WITH MYSELF. EVEN THOUGH HAMAS GAVE ME ADVANTAGES. I WAS LIKE A PRINCE IN THAT WORLD. AND BUT I DID NOT LIKE THEM, YOU
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KNOW. I TURNED AGAINST EVEN MY OWN BLOOD, YOU KNOW. BECAUSE THIS IS HOW MUCH I DID NOT LIKE HAMAS. AND TODAY, 25 YEARS LATER, THEY ARE THE RULERS OF GAZA, AND WE SEE WHAT THEY ARE CAPABLE OF
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DOING. >> Brian: WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED OCTOBER 7TH. WE SAW THEM DO WHAT THEY DID TO HOLOCAUST VICTIMS. THEY HAVE NOW OVER 200 HOSTAGES MURDERED BABIES IN THEIR CRIBS. AND WE SEE THE HORROR OF WHAT THEY ARE CAPABLE OF.
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NOW THEY HAVE RETREATED BACK TO GAZA. A GROUND INCURSION IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. WOULD YOU RECOMMEND ISRAEL DO THIS AND WHAT WILL THEY FIND WHEN THEY GO IN? >> OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, WE NEED TO
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EVACUATE CIVILIANS AS MUCH AS WE CAN. YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN UGLY WAR AND ISRAEL DID NOT START IT. HAMAS DID. FIRST OF ALL, WHEN YOU ENCOURAGE CIVILIANS TO GO INTO EGYPT, POSSIBLY WOMEN AND CHILDREN,
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MAYBE MEN OVER 50 YEARS OLD. NEED TO GET OUT OF THE PICTURE. YOU KNOW, THEN THE STRIP NEEDS TO BE CUT TWO PIECES. NORTH AND SOUTH. TWO PARTS. THE NORTHERN PART, THIS IS WHERE MOST OF THE TUNNELS ARE.
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WE NEED HAVE A SIEGE LONG ENOUGH TO DEPLETE THE ENEMY AND STARVE THEM. AFTER THAT WE MAY NEED TO EXPLORE USING GAS. THIS IS LIKE SOUNDS HORRIBLE BUT I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER OPTION.
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THE TUNNELS ARE INTERCONNECTED AND GAS COULD BE ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS. THIS HAS TO BE THE RIGHT TIME. WE CAN'T JUST RUSH INTO.
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MOST IMPORTANTLY WE NEED TO GET THE CIVILIANS OUT OF THE PICTURE. AS LONG AS THERE ARE CIVILIANS THERE,. >> Brian: RIGHT. >> THEN THE OPERATION MIGHT BE INCOMPLETE. >> Brian: YOU ALSO SAY IT'S
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ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO GIVE AID TO THE GAZA STRIP, $100 MILLION ABOUT TO GIVE THEM AND KEEP IT AWAY FROM HAMAS. DON'T YOU AGREE THAT THAT CAN'T WORK?
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>> AFTER WE DESTROY THE TUNNELS, WE NEED TO FINISH HAMAS RULE IN GAZA STRIP. THIS IS PRIORITY NUMBER ONE. THEN WE NEED TO REPLACE THE REGIME. COULD BE THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY. COULD BE THE EGYPTIAN GOVERNMENT
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COULD BE ARAB LEAGUE FORCE. WE NEED TO REPLACE THEIR RULE IN GAZA. AFTER THAT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT AID. BUT, AS OF NOW, SENDING ANY AID IS A MISTAKE. >> Brian: SO, YOU ALSO BELIEVE
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THAT THIS ISN'T ABOUT THE PALESTINIANS FIGHTING FOR THEIR RIGHTS AND THEIR SOVEREIGNTY. WHAT IS THE REAL MISSION EVER HAMAS? AND WHAT DO THEY REALLY THINK OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE?
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>> YOU KNOW, HAMAS IS NOT A NATIONAL MOVEMENT IT'S A RELIGIOUS MOVEMENT. THEY DON'T CARE FOR NATIONALISM. ACTUALLY THEY ARE AGAINST NATIONALISM.
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WITH THAT SAID MY UNDERSTANDING THEY ARE USING THE PALESTINIAN CAUSE ONLY TO ACHIEVE THEIR GOAL. SO THE LONG-TERM GOAL, YOU KNOW. TRANSFORMING THE MIDDLE EAST AND
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THE WORLD INTO AN SLACK STATE. THIS IS HAMAS AGENDA AND THEY ARE NOT HIDDEN BY THE WAY. SO, HAMAS IS SERVING FOREIGN WE
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ARE TALKING ABOUT IRAN AND RUSSIA LATELY. HAMAS SERVE THOSE PARTIES AND IRAN PAYS THEM CLOSE TO A BILLION DOLLARS ANNUALLY.
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IRAN IS THE REAL MASTER IN THIS PICTURE. HAMAS DOESN'T SERVE THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. HAMAS SERVE IRAN. THOSE ARE THE MONSTERS OF HAMAS.
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THEY LIE ABOUT NATIONALISM AND THEY NATIONAL MOVEMENT. AND THEY CARE ABOUT PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. LOOK AT THEM USING THEM AS A SHIELD. WE NEED TO FREE HAMAS AS THEM.
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BRINGING HAMAS DOWN. THEN THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE THEY JUST WANT TO LIVE A NORMAL LIFE. THEY DON'T WANT MISSILES IN THE MOST POPULATED AREA ON EARTH TO BE LAUNCHED FROM UNDER HOSPITALS
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AND FROM CROWDED AREAS AND GOING SUICIDAL AND ENDANGER THE LIFE OF THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF GAZA. WHO DOES THAT? YOU GOT TO BE INSANE TO DO SUCH AN OPERATION AND. >> Brian: YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT YOUR FAMILY.
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>> WE HAVE TO STOP THEM. >> Brian: YOU USED TO BELIEVE THAT YOU USED TO BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS OKAY. YOU DON'T. THAT SOMEBODY A NOW, QUICK EXIT QUESTION, AROUND THE GLOBE AND EVEN IN OUR CAPITOL, PEOPLE ARE PROTESTING FOR HAMAS. THEY ARE SAYING FOR THE ISRAEL
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TO BACK OFF AND STOP WITH THE AIRSTRIKES. WELL, WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THOSE PROTESTERS? WHAT IS IT ABOUT THEIR MINDSET? >> OKAY, LISTEN. I CANNOT CONVINCE THE ENTIRE
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WORLD OF TRUTH. RIGHT NOW PEOPLE ARE EMOTIONAL. THEY HATE TO SEE CHILDREN DYING. EVEN THOUGH HAMAS IS KILLING THE PEOPLE AT THE HOSPITAL AND WE HAVE EVIDENCE OF THAT. BUT THEY STILL BLAME ISRAEL. PEOPLE CAN BLAME WHOEVER THEY WANT.
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YOU KNOW, BUT NOW WE HAVE TO CONCENTRATE. WE HAVE TO FOCUS. PUBLIC OPINION IS VERY IMPORTANT. UNFORTUNATELY IT'S NOT THE TIME TO WIN THE PUBLIC OPINION. IT'S THE TIME TO WIN THE WAR
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AGAINST THE MOST BRUTAL TERRORIST ORGANIZATION LIVING TODAY, YOU KNOW. AND LATER ON, WHEN PEOPLE LOOK BACK AT THE SITUATION, THEY WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WERE DOING. WE SHOULD NOT BE AFRAID OF THE PUBLIC OPINION. WE HAVE TO EXPLAIN AS MUCH AS WE
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CAN BUT NOW WE HAVE TO CONCENTRATE ON OUR GOALS. >> Brian: MOSAB THAT'S WHY YOUR PERSPECTIVE IS SO VITAL AND UNIQUE. YOU GREW UP IN HAMAS FAMILY YOU BROKE IT AND SEEKING TO STOP IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH
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