Video: Questioning Regeneration - Ecosystem Weaving & Mapping (DocDrop)

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okay fantastic thank you Victor welcome everyone to the first episode of the questioning reg generation series really excited to have you all here and to to

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launch this uh series of online webinars so today's uh episode will be specifically on the questions that surrounding the sphere of uh weaving and

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mapping the Vier ecosystem we have some really beautiful people with us here today uh I will be co- facilitating this session with my beautiful colleagues

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Victor here for me at least Simon down there uh and here and depal um it's quite a few of us so I will not do and invite everyone to do a

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a full round of introduction but instead I will ask you all to write in the chat so you can write your name where you're uh speaking from today and share any

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links that are relevant to your work uh today either your personal work organizations you're involved with uh funding co-funding whatever it is that you wanna you want to share with the with the community

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today um and as you all do that I will hand over to Victor who is the instigator of the Gathering of Tri to share a little bit more about uh about this event that we're all

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co-creating uh with you hi thank thank you so the Gathering of tribes as probably most of you know because you're here is

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we're bringing together H tribes use the word tribes partially as a to be in inclusive because it could be any kind of organization or non-

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organization anybody who says that they're a tribe we say yes great please come but it's also an invitation to think of what is a tribe mean in the 21st century you know what does belonging

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mean uh that's one key part of it it's our tagline is connect for Action so we really want people to come together to learn to have great conversations but also out of the gathering with new

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connections whether it's new members for their tribes H new projects business love any kind of connection we really want to be a catalyst for this movement

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because we see the regenerative movement as beautiful and growing but we need much more horizontal H colle connect mind so please come it's in nature Al I

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really think that aestival needs to be in nature and it's cocreated because a festival is a microcosm of cre a society and I really believe in a

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co-created that the regenerative Society will be a co-created society so yeah come let's play uh let's experiment

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together great Simon thank you okay thank very much V right um okay so just a little bit of just a word of explanation of what we're doing here

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today because obviously this whole just picking up this idea of connection um the Gathering of tribes is going to be a place where people connect and and we want to help people to find a vocabulary for connection vocabulary

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sort of the words around which to connect but there's a there's a challenge here because um Everybody uh uses these words in slightly different ways and when we were trying to put together this list of themes for the

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Gathering we came across lots and lots of different slight variations and so forth so we were thinking okay let's not focus on the words and the terms because people disagree about those let's try

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and find the questions underlying this so and and so what we're trying to do today is to uh to see if we can allow these questions to

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emerge because what brings people together in my experience is the inquiry around shared questions um and uh so and and that will

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bring a sort of dynamic to the Gathering itself now it's not a beauty contest who has the best question this is something to do with letting the questions emerge feeling sensing into the questions and

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letting the questions emerge in the dialogue between us and in order to find those questions we will need to be listening deeply to each other's concerns passions issues

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all that kind of thing so uh so what we're doing today is um in order to in order to allow the the uh the dialogue to flow we'll be doing a fishbowl and we'll be coming to that in

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a minute after the initial round uh but first we've got do we have this is a question to my co co- facilitators here do we have a uh have have we got enough

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enough for initiators to actually set the scene at who's great okay over to you then Audrey to invite them to set the scene so as Simon said the session

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is very much open to everyone and uh we will have a fishball conversation where you're all invited to to join in and and bring your questions and uh and your ideas but we have today uh Brad from

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tribalize and region week and I'm sure many other things Brad that you can uh talk about and and Steve Melville as well who is joining us and who is a founding member of evolutionary

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Enterprises uh Brad and Steve are our what we call initiators today uh the initiators are basically those people who work directly uh and really at depth in the field that we're that we're

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looking at in in the episode so in this case really mapping again and weaving the ecosystem of regeneration um and we've invited you basically to Kickstart the the conversation today so to give a

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little bit of energy by bringing your own questions so Brad if that's okay we start with you I don't want to put you on the spot but I will if you want to share a little bit more about well yeah

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again what questions are really Al today in your work uh what do you want to bring to this space basically okay thank you and welcome to everybody um I'm in southern Mexico

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right now but U before that I was from California um and I I'm addicted to co-creation I like to say I like bringing people together I like hosting events and I like building

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Community um and Victor and I met through rebuild and I'm um I produced a conference for the last seven years called tribalize uh and this year we're actually focusing entirely on the social

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uh Innovation social technologies that uh build coherence in a group so I've been thinking a lot about this and PR programming a conference uh during regen week which uh will be in Tulum March

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21st through the 30 28 so I'm um I often start my um my co-creation Endeavors with the question what is our Collective

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intention and that's not always asked in a space um we we've gotten into this thing what's your individual intention and if you have a bunch of people within individual intentions uh you have a form

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of chaos uh of course we all have our life paths our own Fates and destinies and and our own sacred purpose on this planet but if we're coming into a co-creation together um it is really

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what is our Collective intention what are we all uh bringing those gifts to and I um so that's the main question and then I have a metaphor for the uh kind of visualization of um what that means

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and if any of you have ever put up a TP uh you know it's a ceremony and that ceremony uh has a pole carrier carriers uh bringing

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poles and putting them into place but what is set is a tripod of three poles that are put into place by let's call them the um um the

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instigators and and then everybody else brings their uh pole and puts it into place and then and then there's a a bundle tied at the very top um and then there's a wrapping

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of the canvas on top of that so if you think about that there's there's a a collective intention and a in a very strong tripod set and then everybody else gifts contributes to the the larger

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structure and then a beautiful wrapping gets put upon it so uh for me that's if that's not really at the at the core Center Center of of a of an Endeavor or

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an event or a movement um there's going to be um um some Discord that will come from the lack of a proper foundation so

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I'll stop there thank you so much Brad yeah love the love the metaphor like Nicole super interesting uh Steve I'm going to turn towards you now to well if you want to

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introduce yourself a little bit more and also bring forward what uh what are those questions are life for you I think you're on mute thank you all right thank you I'm just sort of settling in here sorry I

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was unable to join until a bit late but um yeah my name is Steve Mell I'm calling it from balber Colorado um I have a long career in technology um but my heartbreak

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over my sense of what where we're all headed as a civilization uh compelled me to commit myself to fostering an evolutionary

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shift and the good news is I see lots of people um lots of organizations who seem to be similarly activated um and yet my sense is that

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there's still a lot of silos and a lot of disconnection between all the people that are on the Forefront of this shift so my um my calling

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really was to leverage technology background to to try and manifest a platform that could help Foster collaboration and co-creation across

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these silos um I want to be clear it's not because I think technology is the answer um I think technology needs to be in service to life and really it's our coming together as humanity and

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recognizing our fundamental Oneness and getting past the meme of Separation that is the key here but we all have our own gifts and our own weaknesses and our own strengths and because I happen to have

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some background in building large scale platforms that's what I feel called to do I'm also involved in a project called The Planet Project it's not a technology project at all but

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it's its thesis is that the many existential risks we Face are a function of uh cultural stage stage of Consciousness that we've been

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manifesting for about 5,000 years and I won't go into why that that interpo but the point is we've we've been uh acting out this sort of worldview

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for a long time it's not just the last 50 years or 100 years or 500 years but we are on the cost of of a major shift and the way um it's going to happen is

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not by treating all the symptoms but by really being uh clear on the root cause which is this cultural shift and and what can we do to accelerate the shift to a culture that

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recognizes the fundamentally interconnected interdependent and interrelated nature of all reality and so the questions that I are alive for

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me um have to do with how can we accelerate the cultural shift uh and but what I the question I might throw out for this group is what

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are the barriers that are arising for you um you know as as you as we all are making our attempts to make a difference um what are the

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barriers that you are encountering encountering and being able to fully express your creative Innovation thank you so much Steve that is a beautiful segue into the next part

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of the conversation which is to open it as I said earlier into um a fishball uh format can I get a show of hands has

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anyone not heard or not practiced a fishball conversation before okay we almost have a fishball experts uh session so I'll just explain very quickly and I'll explain

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specifically how we will do it through Zoom because it's usually practiced uh in person I'm sure we'll have lot of those at the Gathering so a fishball conversation and Simon please jump in a fishball conversation is a conversation

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where you basically have three four or five it depends people who are sitting in a circle on chairs in the middle and then you have everyone else who is sitting around them basically those

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people who are sitting in the central in the core Circle are the ones who are having uh a conversation they're having a dialogue there's usually one empty chair in this core Circle and anyone can

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join the conversation at any time those people who are on the Outer Circle ccle are just listening in they're not actively partaking in the conversation the idea is that the people in the first Circle once they are done basically

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sharing what they thought was meaningful they just stand up and leave and move on to the Outer Circle so the way we will practice this in this uh virtual space

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is that I will ask everyone to turn their camera off if they're not actively participating in the conversation and when you want to join the circle you can put a message in the chat and we will invite you to turn your camera off so

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that is comfortable for everyone to sort of witness and be on the virtual Outer Circle you can go on the top right side of your screen you should have a little view button and if you click on this

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button you can uh hide nonv participants this way you will be in a room where basically the the first Circle uh is the only one that's visible I hope this isn't too confusing is it okay for

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everyone can I get thumbs up or down okay fantastic thank you uh Simon I'm GNA hand over to you to give maybe some grounding questions and some more

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directions and then I think we can open the Fishbowl okay thank you thank you Audrey that's great great explanation of Fishbowl great um before we actually start the Fishbowl

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itself I just wanted to give everybody a chance to um ask any kind of factual questions which uh to to just to make

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sure that everybody is with us everybody to make sure we're all engaged in this and uh to make sure you know what we're that we're all on the in the same field if you like in the same sphere using

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using our kind of uh using um using Victor's nice word there so um the topic which we're talking about and I think it's really important to realize that uh this is

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this is the first of of of a quite extensive series we've got we've got 15 at the moment uh topic areas um so we are trying to focus around this

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particular area so um it's a very reasonable question right now if you want to ask very briefly um any particular questions about what we are talking about to make sure that we're

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actually on the same in the same field in the same sphere and uh just let's just do that for a couple of minutes see what you please raise your hand if you want to ask turn your camera on and then

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we'll just answer really quickly and perhaps we can turn we'll turn back to Steve and Brad particularly uh as as our initiators to answer very briefly uh the questions and then we'll move into the

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Fishbowl um after that um and uh I'll leave I'll leave that until we actually just finish the we can recap when we finish these these fundamental round of questions to just to see are we

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all engaged is my issue in scope that's the real question here so over to you please raise a hand if you got any burning questions about the scope of the thing and uh and how to

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participate I if we haven't got any questions that's fine as well but just leave it I'll just leave it for you just leave a little space just in case anybody has any any questions about this dive in with

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it I've slightly forgotten the exact wording of the question that we were discussing so that's my M question okay um I can just fill in there briefly um we're talking about

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ecosystem weaving and mapping and that's just the title so far the provisional title and what we're doing today is we're trying

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to sense into the questions which emerg the the vital questions as um as Steve has given us an example we're trying to sense into those questions and we'll come up with the end at the end of the

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session with some questions or we'll go go ahead and share them with you all outs is that okay does that help you Liam great okay I think there is an echo of

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clarity in the room so let's go so I'm gonna ask uh everyone to turn their camera off except for Brad and

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Steve and should we call someone else in the core Circle how about well here we go Sharon and Nicole you're still on so you're officially part of the circle [Laughter]

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welcome and I'll turn mine off as well great and now everyone looks at each other in silent I'm joking so let's get started I mean I think Steve and bradu

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gave a a really interesting and and sort of diverse introduction St I loved your I guess more uh philosophical I will say and systemic uh approach to the to the

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question and Brad I guess you're obviously through your work uh and especially right now with r and Weck uh very Hands-On um Nicole I'd love to invite you to share a little bit I mean you're part of many project terity and

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vision tribe are some of them uh and I'm sure you have uh quite a few things to say about well yeah those again question through live for you today and I think we can really go at it from from different angles right uh Steve I really

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liked how you brought in the question of the barriers right we're here as a community we all have a fairly similar vision of where we want to go so this is also really a space for us to go create and collaborate on how how we can move

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things uh forward I'll leave it to you nio sorry my audio doesn't always pick up so

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I hear what is said so um but um I think you know in this lack of structure there's like questions that we want to explore like big questions

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around ecosystem mapping and addressing what I feel is like scatteredness um it manifests in the resource that people have that manifest and the the databases

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people are building um you know there's redundancy people are building the the same lists of the same resources and databases um people are mapping

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organizations um and you know you I I personally see all these like beautiful visual representations and a map of this and a map of that um and even as hot a topic as decentralization is I IM

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actually in favor when it comes to data um and and and and being aware like even just being in in this room is a privilege because I like hearing uh people from organizations that I esteem

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really highly um but when it comes to data I I I want I want like the ecosystem mapping um to be more to be more centralized and

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be more readily available um this is part of like I know quite a few people are in this initiative of like mapping ecosystems and it's very much part of understanding right like a first step of

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permaculture is to observe and to understand um and so to understand regeneration like we have to we have to make observations about the current situation and and where we're going um

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but what I would like to see personally is Solutions on on bringing it into into a togetherness um uh although maybe that doesn't mimic

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nature you know like nature pops up in in all sorts of different niches um so that's kind of what I want to pose to you um is like this the more centralization

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of data and and obviously accessibility to everyone but um collecting knowledge and then and sharing it as rapidly as possible is one way that I see as like a solution that I'm really focused on um

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and I'm curious to like Steve with your background in Tech how you see this applying yeah yeah great great questions I spent a lot of my career at

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Fortune 500 companies uh when I was at a large telecommunications company we did an inventory of their um application portfolio they had a thousand different applications they used to run their

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business and they had customer information in more than 200 of those databases so it was it was extraordinarily expensive and frankly impossible to keep them all

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synchronized so managing large data sets especially in you know in large environments is has kind of been at the heart of a lot of what I did um I don't see Fortune 500 companies

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on the for front of the shift however and so um as I you know sensed into my role I felt like at at a global level we

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have all these people that are doing work and just as large corporations figured out they needed a shared platform to Foster sharing and better communication I felt like a large

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platform was what the evolutionary shift movement needed however we needed to do it in a way that it was not not subject to top- down control and so I do think decentralized

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Technologies are key uh but then you bring up the challenge Nicole of okay but then how can we share data in this decentralized world and I've been inspired by patterns

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of living systems um and in particular uh living cells and cell membranes and the notion of uh membranes because at the same time

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that we're we want to share data widely um we need there's some sensitive data there's lack of trust that's only getting magnified and worsened through

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AI there's uh you know a lot of different actors in the world so kind of the vision that I'm trying to manifest is one in which we can come together in

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in communities of trust relatively small and create membranes and then link between the membranes to create larger membranes but every contribution of data is um

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stewarded and its Providence is endorsed by uh a trust Network right so we're basically ratcheting trust to global scale is the thought um the other key aspect I would say is it's

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a person Centric architecture as opposed to an application or provider Centric architecture like the large applications that are out on the internet today whether it be from Amazon or Google or

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LinkedIn or eBay or or even you know social networks that are aspire to um Foster collaboration and um strong

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values the center seems to be around the application so for example if I'm in a group um and I'm I need contribute in high I'll create that group in high low

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I'll create that group in Facebook I'll create a group in Google I'll create a group in LinkedIn I'll create a group in blah blah blah blah blah because all these applications make the group subservient to the application if you

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invert that model and say make it agent Centric and so that um now we have a one group and we can invite applications to participate in that group um it changes

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uh everything from a data sovereignty perspective from a security perspective and um it provides the cells that then can be fractally composed into this Global Network so in a nutshell that's

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how I would try to respond fascinating if that landed for you I mean that that makes sense actually I wanted to pass it to Braden like um on this idea of then like grounding that in inperson event like

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ecosystem mapping and how that manifests in in person events good question for me and Steve I don't know every time you open your mouth I think it's me talking so I I I say I I I don't produce events

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I I build intentional trust networks and and I do believe that's this whole you know during covid I was living up in Northern California producing events the whole time and this

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whole virtual event syndrome that we were forced into uh was just this idea of online community um I I don't know any of you I see your bios

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on the chat and I see your names and but but we're not our hearts and minds are are only limited through this digital technology how How Deeply we connect so I like to say I I do in-person events

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and I'm committed to that I've done over a thousand of them in my career and and I do believe that's where the essential nature of trust is established where we're heart tohe heart we're we're in a um we're in a

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an a connected space that allows us to um really you know it's the circle you know the circle techn what's the most important technology on the planet it's the

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circle um it's what Humanity was based on it's where we draw our most um connected possibility by sitting around

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a circle around a fire and speaking into the center of that Circle which represents the shared luminal consciousness of that group uh this is the we're in the digital fire right now

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this is the we're sitting around a fire pit but it's digitally and um but it has a sort of a a lower frequency U than sitting in in person so you know in in

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establishing uh uh any kind of network and I and I've looked at building decentralized Network Steve and you know how do you how do you build chapters and how do you build you know this fractal

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um whole and and it's not easy it's not easy mainly because there's so many um other um other events and other

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organizations that we're all involved with right we're we're I'm involved in 10 different groups and I'm part of five 10 different you know online networks and

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and and really what what I I believe is missing is that that that centralization I think we talked about someone mentioned centralization earlier um I I think it's it's

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critical um that a network has a shared experience and and then people may not live in the same Geo uh or bio region but it it at least they've had a shared experience together once they've had a

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shared experience together it magnifies the um the potentiality of of using technology and again technology is just a tool um it's it's only going to be as

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good as the as the container that is set and that container will certainly be helped through um different you know facilitation techniques um that help establish one

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that shared intention that I spoke about earlier but also a shared value system and a shared culture uh because without those things then we're basically just kind of you know heads um thinking about

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things rather than really feeling them and really you know deeply connected so hopefully that makes sense may may I interject something right um so

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um we we all are familiar with kadashi of scale how to how to see different type of civilizations and their

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evolvement um I came up with a theory uh which I built a Scale based on the evolution of Consciousness and

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so throughout history a circular Consciousness is closed so you have the circle which provides security so also it Sayes predatory um

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competition um sicknesses and lack of resources um I've shared with you in in the chat an article I wrote about

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how uh spiral conscious evolves it's when we don't have these limitations anymore and there and then you see like type one two and three

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civilizations and Etc uh when the Consciousness as individuals and of course as the society evolves from planetary to solar and Galactic and so

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on um so this is something I wish to uh say that if if we if we talk about technology or um say uh we want to rise

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our uh Collective Consciousness and transcend transform right and then you see in

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spiral Dynamics for example um different groups have different Collective goals the definition of trust and whom do I trust like yeah I want the world to be a

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better place but at the lower part it's like just for my family or my tribe and yeah so that's

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um brings us to ask the question yes are we can invite more to to this Gathering of tribe to

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see that you know we are all one and yes uh I also believe that technology is an extension of our Consciousness it's part of the

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solution and again like there are currently limitations in the ey development and like and you know how how can we overcome them like how we

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can make AI systems more robust explainable and align with human values and maybe even to surprise us in regards of our values um yeah there ethical

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considerations like uh in in regards of also AI development this is what like I I ask myself now um like grappling with issues like around privacy bias and

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potential impact of AI on employment this is something also that I believe all of us are reflecting on daily and yeah when we talk about global collaboration as a challenge and and we

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open this as a question so like again how this can be forc fostered through Ai and not everybody is trying to do the same and mapping instead of really

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working together so I see it's uh involves not just technological collaboration but also uh like real people like and like you are doing like real physical people meeting together

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looking in the eyes and but also policy coordination among different countries because it's not just about individuals it's also you know when when we talk about the whole of humanity yes so still

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the the are countries it's not like the biorem map and no borders not yet and yeah and and yeah I would also talk

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about future scenarios because this is I believe what we are trying to raise here like again like plausible future scenarios for me in AI development so it's not just again

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technological collaboration uh in solving um Global crisis like climate change and so on but uh also the risks uh when we

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develop this artificial general super intelligence yeah so so yeah that that's my maybe good good good questions good

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yes I'm just gonna take a moment to um re uh repeat and rephrase back of the major questions that I've heard posed so far so um in the beginning it was how do we accelerate the shift um how can we

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use technology to ethically support the shift um how do we ground digital communities into physical ones where as Brad says our hearts and Minds meet um how can we manage large data sets that

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empower the shift and how can we make these technological ecosystems more robust um so those are some of the questions that I think are kind of percolating and I can provide these

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later um I just wanted to make note in a really practical sense of like uh the Gathering of tribes is uh an event right an in-person event um meant not to just

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kind of talk about these questions um but but answer them and provide solutions to them and even embody them um with antoon uh from rebuild we've

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been working on this idea of uh a different type of event that incorporates um all the pros of a conference a festival um a gathering a

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retreat um and melds it into one um where uh there are a lot of pros and cons to each structure of these types um and I'd love to share that format um I

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with actually Victor and um Audrey for the organizing purposes but just a reminder that you know coming together would be the embodiment and the answer and solution to these questions um so

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I'm G to pop out of the the fish bowl um so someone else can pop in thank you Nicole great thanks thanks very much um

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I just I'm bit hesitant to be here but then nobody else is here to represent murmurations so I thought I'd just put in a few questions and then just leave again but I know Steve knows about murmurations but maybe not everybody

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else does uh it's a protocol which um Sylvester Bradley's been working on and a team for few years now and um it's it's doing it's doing this sort of

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mapping in a very decentralized way but in a centralized decentralized Way by by providing a common protocol um so basically people uh put up their own information and maintain their own

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information in a format which can be uh sucked up by any aggregator and then displayed on a map that's basically how it works and um my questions I think you

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know around this uh the questions that I would raise around the ecosystem weeping and mapping uh is are threefold the first is how do we actually persuade people to

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come together on a that kind of you um that kind of combined decentralized approach to sharing uh

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mapping information uh secondly um secondly it's all very well for for organizations and things that need to be

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public but um a lot of people are less happy sharing personal information and I think my sense very strong sense is that this is not going to work very well for mapping individual people a different

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way of doing that and I think the third one is to do with the overwhelm potential of information if you map everything and you just give people a Hu know huge sort of maps

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to look through or huge lists to scan through it's not really going to help people find the right people um effectively and that's really what I'm interested in I guess so I'll just put put that in there

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and and and jump out again I guess thank you Simon go for it Steve and I'm before you answer I'm not supposed to doing this but after you answer St I'm going to ask other people

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to join in just because I know we have amazing 16 awesome organizations and about 20 minutes left so I'm very curious to hear other people but Steve please yeah well

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there's there's already a lot of richness in the conversation but I I I think I'll pick up on how do we get people to get to come together in the mapping exercise and for that I tie back to what Brad was saying earlier about uh

00:42:59

shared purpose shared values um I tend to look at the pro-social core design principles um because they are abstracted from actually observing it

00:43:12

what works and not some Theory they're you know what are this what are the principles that groups that have successfully um created collaboration and C creation or what principles did they exhibit and the number one in that

00:43:26

list is Clarity around shared purpose um and so I think that's um that's one there's more but I'll just leave it at that in the interest of time

00:43:38

um I think also the um with respect to the the architectures for sharing uh we need to think outside the app basically is my message

00:43:53

um I also think that security needs needs to be uh and data sovereignty needs to be baked into the core of the infrastructure so that as um you know to

00:44:06

take the concrete problem of we've got 47 people out there let's say doing M creating maps and many of the same people in organizations are going to show up in each of those maps to me that's because

00:44:20

we got the center of gravity wrong I should be able to register myself as an individual and my organizations once and um be the stewards of my

00:44:33

information and then be able to share that right so if anything changes in my profile individually organizationally I change it once and it can be available to others um now how does that scale and

00:44:46

how do you know I I don't want to share sensitive data with everybody so that's where we need these containers of fractally composed groups right that have have membranes of membership and

00:44:58

shared purpose is part of what I would call each group has what I would call a mtic signature it sort of defines the values the governance model the principles the purpose and so forth why

00:45:10

are we bound together why are what is what are we trying to achieve together and participation um in that membrane requires alignment with that memetic signature um and that can lead to an

00:45:23

architecture in which we don't have this pull rate this you know massive redundancy what we have is controlled sharing through larger and larger trust networks thank you so much Steve I'm

00:45:40

going to put people on the spots because everyone is being shy so n how do you feel about putting your camera on because you're sharing some really interesting stuff in the comment section

00:45:52

and and and da and Dave is there already so let let Dave have a let Dave have a little let Dave say his piece great and besides not you don't have a beard you're not

00:46:05

allowed you're not on the team okay I was just prompted by Pro social Core Design principles because I'm a pro social facilitator so I just shared a handout uh in

00:46:17

in chat thank you well I was I was trying to resist jumping in but I'm very excited about the conversation and it's uh things that I'd like to be involved in and like to

00:46:30

contribute to so uh you know please please put me on the team however you need but and I was resonating a lot with what you were saying Steve I feel like it's not exactly a shared purpose but an

00:46:42

overlapping purpose people have their own purposes and we want them to be able to co-create and so I think of it like we built the internet once you know how do we use that same kind of methodology

00:46:55

to build this the regenerative future and and I feel like the internet kind of was put together by a bunch of people working from different perspectives improving in their own space but the space is linked together with some

00:47:09

coherence and so it's the coherence that's that's you know I think a lot of the problems and that's where you need the the standards and things like that and I guess so that's one thing is I don't think like it's one purpose but there's overlapping purposes and also

00:47:23

that I feel like um one version of the ecosystem we people talk about ecosystem mapping a little bit and and I I'm kind of interested in it but I get I do get a little frustrated with the notion and

00:47:35

and I wonder if in some sense if you just follow the code if you follow the assets the ecosystem Revol reveals itself and so in trying to think about a a a landscape a stack for landscape

00:47:50

regeneration it turns out there are many different groups investing in that space already and you can you can track them because they've created value that is available in some form and so we were

00:48:02

better at kind of you know mapping that value map then that may help us into you know seeing the stack as it's de developing and helping to make it more coherent but that's probably like nudges

00:48:15

and stuff right so there's not a master map there's probably just NES pushes that that was it but thanks so much for all this stuff it's really wonderful hello everyone uh I was just while

00:48:37

you're listening because you're talking about uh mapping but not so much in which scale so trying to get kind of something

00:48:49

in a global scale when for me somehow it's a bit more interesting this idea of a guild in the local region so as an example if we think like

00:49:03

who contributes to the development of a child in a community you know the family the father mother and the uncles and then the teacher and then the

00:49:16

neighbors and then who benefits for the development and that uh child becoming a uh fully functioning uh Citizen and contributing

00:49:30

to the society so there are many other indirect ways in which the child contributes to the the whole of society and this becomes a bit easier to

00:49:43

see with this idea of a guild so instead of a huge okay let's connect this child to the whole world what is the of course it benefits the world at the largest

00:49:57

scale but somehow the question that comes for me from reflecting this is kind of how could the Gathering of the tribes or events that we we bring people together like

00:50:10

this can supporting this development of the people who come to it to really embody these practices and and be able

00:50:23

to shift or influence their local K you yeah I I'll jump in again but I don't want to I want to leave room for Brad and others uh as well um yeah I

00:50:44

think the change uh is bottom up and inside out and I think place-based uh organization is is critical you know Brad was referring to the the richness

00:50:57

of face-to-face interactions well face Toof face interactions when you're living in a shared space um especially with a focus on the local landscape um and the needs of the local

00:51:10

landscape um that's the building blocks and that will naturally bring the coherence you don't necessarily need a lot of mapping you just need to meet your neighbors and and get to know your your your water set or your land right

00:51:24

but I think like what Joe Brewer is doing um is trying to build a network of of um to map these different landscape leaders to share best practices to share

00:51:37

success stories to commiserate over failures and basically to support one another so I think that uh starting with and I think the guild uh has a long history of success

00:51:49

in in sort of layered mentorship and and um uh how to bring gifts into fruition uh with some Mastery so yeah I think the guilds are an important part of that um

00:52:02

the other thing I will say in response to what we shared previously yeah I don't think we need to get everybody in the world to agree on a shared purpose um that's actually kind of a scary thought

00:52:15

um I think that's what fascism is is about um we all have our own um calling right we we all have our own sense of what's

00:52:27

needed um and when we find others that have shared purpose then we can form bonds and it could be shared purpose around a local landscape it could be shared purpose around um a guild you

00:52:42

know set of layered skills um some purposes so those can form the basis for small groups and then those groups may find a larger shared purpose that draws them together in

00:52:59

alignment I'm going to close with just two thoughts about how do we cohere action at global scale right well we have an example of one way to do it if you look at multinational corporations

00:53:13

they are able to Marshall a really high degree of coherence um on a global scale and they do it from top down you know essentially Dominator culture coercion right

00:53:26

right if we're going to do it bottom up then we the top down by the way um deprives us of the creative imagination the creative expression of

00:53:40

many many people either because they're too oppressed by the Dominator culture and they just you know they're looking where for the next meal is coming from or how to put shelter overhead or because they're in service to whatever

00:53:52

the leader's vision is that's being disseminated from the top down so there's enormous potential we could unlock if we could find a way to um uh tap into the creative Innovative

00:54:05

capacity of people from the bottom up but then how do we bring coherence and it's not by top- down coercion it's by shared aspirational drawing us up right so this is why I think the shared

00:54:19

purpose is so important and it's a Cascade of shared purposes it's a it's an ecosystem of shared purposes if I can mix metaphors um that that that draw us

00:54:30

upwards into alignment right rather than imposed alignment from below so that's that's in a nutshell my vision of how we get coherence at global scale is through shared

00:54:44

aspiration you know um let me jump in on and and shared purpose maybe isn't it but a shared vision of humanity might be and and right now the shared vision of

00:54:56

humanity is awfully um ominous uh and the world is changing dramatically we've all gotten very comfortable living in our Global World

00:55:11

now the internet and Facebook and other technology platforms have given us a sense of being a global citizen now I meant when I was growing up I didn't know anybody who lived in Europe now I

00:55:23

have friends all over the world I mean it's amazing every country I I can go travel and visit anybody in any country now and and that didn't happen um before the last really for me the last four or

00:55:36

five years and actually rebuild um was one of those people one of those ways that I got to meet a lot of people around the world so it is through some of these uh architectures that we are developing but as you said Joe Brewer's

00:55:50

kind of going about it if as the world is changing it's going to be less Global we're going to travel less we're going to wind up being much more about our our Global our local Biore regions our food

00:56:03

supply our supply chains are going to become more localized they're going to have to because the global Supply chains are breaking down um obviously food on a global level is ridiculous and we should have our own local food systems and

00:56:16

everything about that is about driving us into a more back towards a more agrarian geog graphical you know existence we're not going to jump on planes every every second I don't think

00:56:30

we will and and we may have these experiences where we're online with people all over the world um and that does have its advantages uh but it again as we said it doesn't it doesn't go deep

00:56:42

enough so I'd like I'd like to say that um um there's a does everybody I'm surprised no one Victor from Gaia Earth is on this call because they're building probably the best database space of uh

00:56:56

new thought leaders uh regenerative thought leaders they've got somewhere around 1,500 and if you don't know it it's ganet doe ganet doar check it out um but I don't even know what they're

00:57:08

going to do with that Network they they haven't even really formally activated it they've been very intentional about building it but the question is what what do you do with it how do you actually

00:57:19

utilize um and you use the word the global corporations well gyet doesn't have any money so these Global corporations can do whatever they want in terms of building you

00:57:30

know a network of product sales people all over the world uh because they have huge capital I me capitalism has actually allowed them to do that um I

00:57:43

like to say um I was doing this conference called tribalize and I never made money doing it for seven years it wasn't because of lack of try it's because it's a scarce economy people in the community business are leaving the

00:57:56

Matrix world they're actually not making a lot of money so they're living in a different kind of reality base um and that has a lot to do with what's happening in the exterior world is is

00:58:08

going to kind of reshape how we build our tribes I really do think that you know when the dinosaurs existed you know tribes existed for protection and and safety and then the

00:58:19

dinosaurs were gone and maybe may maybe tribes developed for other reasons the dinosaurs were gone right so what's happening in society is going to have is going to reshape our Network it's going to reshape the way we come together and

00:58:33

it may actually be out of survival you know I hate to say that I'm I'm not a gloom and doom guy but I'm also a realist and I'm paying attention to what's happening on this planet um holding an optimistic view as much as I

00:58:45

can uh and these conversations with with Victor that I've been having about building these kinds of structures are are are Paramount to uh giving us um a

00:58:58

Resource Network both information and even you know legitimately real resources to fall back on if there is a collapse in our civilization if capitalism does collapse um so I hope

00:59:11

some of that makes sense anybody else want to jump in oh somebody had Victor Victor's on camera Maybe maybe I would like to jump in uh thank you everybody uh I would

00:59:30

like to explore and maybe in the last minute throw a few other ideas into the conversation and that's H we're talking about ecosystem ecosystem mapping but an

00:59:41

ecosystem of what I love this idea of guilds because it's actually something I experimented a little bit and will be experimenting in the future I think the organizations which we are going to have

00:59:56

and see in the regenerative Society will have be very different structure from the a existing corporate job you know like you have one job and

01:00:08

you are it's a modern version of slavery you know you're part of one company er we already seen this where people who work remotely or people who

01:00:20

work in the gig economy naturally work on many things it's becoming more and more normal to work on many things but it's wonderful it's freedom but then you discover where is your support network where is your long-term personal

01:00:33

professional development and this is something that I think tribes need to provide so I think there will be a whole as Society transitions to new ways of

01:00:45

work and to regenerative ways of living ER there will be a a fundamental shift in the kinds of organizations and you know we see the Mental Health crisis

01:00:59

and to me it is indubitable that one part of that is because we've broken down a a huge number of structures from extended family ER tribe Community

01:01:12

people have mentioned neighborhood and right now we're left with immediate family which is often one parent one child and the state you know those are your two forms of belonging that's not enough

01:01:25

we need other other forms of belonging I for me and this is my definition I like to think of a tribe as a unit where you feel a sense of belonging which is bigger than you and

01:01:39

yet small enough that you can see your impact and contribution ER and I think we need that you know I'm part of something bigger than me that will continue past me and

01:01:51

yet I can see my contribution a country is not that so that's one idea which I think is really interesting to think about you know what are we mapping and then the

01:02:02

other idea is value flows right in many ways what's more important and interesting is the inter relationships between the nodes right your brain is not the neurons it's the connections

01:02:15

between the neurons that make it work and what is that's flowing in these connections I really believe that the strength and power and why the

01:02:27

regenerative ecosystem is inevitable is that we're able to connect and work together through many more dimensions of value exchange than just

01:02:41

money it's natural human way learning love support this that you know and in a regenerative world I believe we can do this between organizations in a much

01:02:53

richer way than the existing system will ever be able to and that's what's going to be really interesting so I really think we need to think about you know what are the what is it that we're mapping and how do these things connect

01:03:05

and the whole point of the Gathering of tribes connect for action and by connect we that all of the levels is to enable ER you know more more of these flows to

01:03:20

happen I'm I'm struck to share this this read definition of survival of the fittest you know Darwin's definition was was hierarchal but the the new definition the regenerative definition

01:03:33

is survival of the fittest means fitting in to your community to your circle to your group and that is what's going to give you um your safety your protection

01:03:46

your expression of Your Soul Purpose By fitting in with a community that's going to give you survival into the future I hope you guys can can assimilate that

01:03:57

into your work but but one of the definition to ecology it's about the relationship between the organisms and themselves and between themselves to the environment in a time frame so so it

01:04:12

makes sense and also as social beings it's not about us evolving in the way we communicate in large numbers but also perfecting our communication in small

01:04:24

small communal uh structures as social beings we have the need to be seen to belong and this sense of purpose and it's

01:04:38

always around this you see like all the big platforms like Facebook they they Rose through the idea that we want to be seen But now instead of just seen by your family and close friends suddenly

01:04:51

the whole words see you and now you see how this big organizations are are appealing the the need for us to belong so you know it's all around

01:05:04

communities uh I think the the the great big leap will be around a Purpose Driven economy um and obviously all of those

01:05:18

there are our social needs for each and every one of us to fit in um yeah and so as you said survival of the fetus

01:05:30

and this is how we are and I could see a AI humanoids H joining these uh our our daily lives and and family structures

01:05:42

it's a big topic to discuss you know like um I'm running such circles around the topic unconditional love right this is parents but we all seek for unconditional friendship

01:05:55

right this is why we love cats and dogs so much for example we know they we never uh you know uh companionship yes unconditional

01:06:07

companionship so so this is something imagin we could achieve with this robot humanoids uh and again it raises many questions but I I

01:06:21

yeah that's something I wanted to bring in is is an open question perfect Nicole um I'm just I'm really stuck still on what Victor asked around what

01:06:34

we're mapping um if the Gap is between the family unit and the state I just want to propose as a final thought then um what the in between of what we're mapping includes uh like kinship

01:06:47

identities you could say this is like people who believe in regeneration as a type of kinship identity um um organizations which may or may not be also a business but I know that Victor

01:06:59

and Audrey and everyone they're involving businesses and formal organizations in in the event um and then Nations and networks um would be

01:07:10

kind of the same tier um like the three tiers that I see existing in between um just the individual family or individual um because I am my own household right

01:07:22

um that is what I see that we're mapping um and what we're bringing together and by coordinating between um kingship identities uh organizations of businesses and then these emerging

01:07:37

networks and and Nations because we're in such an interesting time where like government is not as fluid as we might have previously thought like Nation identities the same way like crypto

01:07:51

broke and created its own um type of decentralized economy um where anyone can create value and then create something to represent that value um people are creating their own societies

01:08:05

and and micr nation and and states that exist parallel to the existing governments but meet our own needs in our own ways um and according to our shared ethos and knowing that everyone in this room shares that ethos of

01:08:19

regeneration and and living more intentionally and the the shift as I been referring to in this conversation like this these those are the types of groups that we need to bring together and coordinate between to

01:08:33

to answer these problems thank you Nicole I think those are perfect uh closing words actually it's 721 so I just want to invite everyone who still here but I don't

01:08:51

think we lost anyone to which is a good sign uh to turn the camera back on and to close out um I would like everyone I

01:09:04

think we have time to just share the one question that came live for you in this session it might be a question that you had at the start already it might be something that you really resonated with as uh those people who were in The Core

01:09:18

circl uh we sharing or it might be something that came alive in the chat with was beautifully active uh throughout the session um I think we're missing some

01:09:30

cameras but it's okay okay great we have Christa okay I'm gonna call people no actually I'm going to call the first person and then I will

01:09:42

ask you to share your question and uh ask the next person Victor is making a face Victor good for it I think it is EAS if you call people it'll be yeah yeah you just call people

01:09:56

Audrey yeah it's not bossy that's fine uh Nico you can start sorry I'm putting you on this what's the question I was typing

01:10:08

the question is what is the question that really came alive for you today I know a lot of questions uh emerge but now I'm interested with the kind of final realization that I just had around

01:10:32

um once we map it you know what do we do with that information like uh so we have this information on our fingertips there's awareness of what's out there what do we choose to do next that's sort

01:10:44

of what's lingering on my mind call on someone else thank you Nicole uh Steve uh yeah boiling it down to one question

01:11:06

um I actually think there's many more levels than three between the individual and global scale and really it's how do

01:11:17

we um scaffold these mesoscale structures how do we build these works of networks of trust um I'll leave it at that thank you uh

01:11:36

Brad I think um it's been an incredibly interesting dialogue maybe a little scattered at times but really um a lot of good wisdom shared thanks everybody um I think it's a Natural

01:11:49

Evolution for um Consciousness to merge uh if we really are all one then um what is that merging look like is it going to look like

01:12:04

Singularity or is it going to look like nature and that's that's the big question that I think we have a choice point to make are we moving towards a

01:12:16

technocratic version of civilization or are we going to be living more closely again with nature and

01:12:28

connecting more with each other and with nature that's my my deep inquiry tonight today thank you beautiful uh rob you haven't heard your voice

01:12:41

today yeah it's here um I coming with the same question which I'm of course it's not going to be answered uh for me it was all the wisdom here it can all happen and uh and we can

01:12:56

work it out uh but what's what's stopping it um what what what needs to be removed uh so that the natural wisdom of the ground up can do its thing which of

01:13:09

course would bring many other questions about We're Not educated so we wouldn't remember how to do it and all this blah blah blah we make a right mess but uh for me it's TR it would be how to remove

01:13:20

this uh education influence Tendencies we've been indoctrinated into from the top down way uh and really come into the wisdom of the ground up that's my this

01:13:32

would be my questions yeah thank you all very beautiful uh Simon yeah thanks I mean what's really hit me new for me is the question of how do we map belonging because that's

01:13:49

really really interesting and these different people are different mentioned different areas of belonging and different scales of belonging how do we map belonging beautiful uh n yeah for me given the ambition of

01:14:05

gathering of tribes question is who is not here we are here question I think the women are not really here like we need more but yeah

01:14:20

definitely uh David uh I ended up think I mean I I kind of feel a lot of times we you shouldn't pay attention to what people say you should pay attention to what they do and I'm wondering if that works with ecosystem

01:14:36

mapping if we map what people are doing do we end up with something interesting and useful so wow amazing question uh Liam uh I find myself wondering is there

01:14:52

a data Str structure that is really elegant and simple that would capture some of the nested hierarchy some of the scales of that and also this um apparent

01:15:06

in congruency between place place local and Global cyber tribes like if we could find a really simple data structure easily make a very simple app it would be a fun playful experiment that's where

01:15:20

I'm that's where I'm thinking about quite a bit say thank you uh Christa I feel I'm a totally new be here um and all the

01:15:37

questions that came up for actually mentioned for me uh it's about belonging how to find really what belonging is enough this is

01:15:52

probably not the best way to describe it and um Rob said something about removing for me is what is this tip that leads to

01:16:04

transformation not how to unlearn but what what is this little bit that will just turn around the whole thank you uh Igor I usually try to bring it for with

01:16:25

this state of being so the question is how to support that is a how can we support the embodiment of regenerative practice in our peers in a way that Inspire our local

01:16:40

tribes thank you beautiful uh Sharon yeah so a side note to all talk about mapping just remember that Columbus he he had a map before he went

01:16:53

on his exploration and all the other great explorers and my question is how to build a collaborative framework supported by AGI artificial general intelligence to Pioneer a new era in

01:17:07

human history powerful thank you uh Victor yeah I mean for me I think it's how do we map the relationships and the

01:17:22

flows thank you I didn't think about my question I I really come back to this element of yeah how do we harness the the collective

01:17:34

Energy power and intelligence of this like I'm amazed at what is just in this room now and if we take the wider ecosystem there is so much more so so

01:17:47

what are the blockers why aren't we there yet what do we need to do yeah so I know there's more people in the room but some of them are hiding I'm just calling in the ones that have their

01:17:59

camera on if anyone who has their camera off wants to jump in and speak now please do so okay so it's 7:31 we're almost right

01:18:15

on time just remains for me to say a huge thank you to all of you uh special thanks to Steve and Brad for beautifully initiating and activating this uh

01:18:28

conversation with your knowledge uh thank you so much Simon and Victor and the whole team for all your work and everyone for this beautiful co-creation so as we said at the start this was the

01:18:39

first episode of a long series the next one will take place in two weeks on Wednesday at the same time and we will be focusing on regenerative Communications media and storytelling

01:18:52

and we will have some great uh initiators and regen organizations and and individuals as well so yeah stay tuned we will keep sharing the links

01:19:03

onto our channels and Simon yeah please and thank you thank you so much Georgie for for for being totally on the ball and facilitating doing doing the the the really main part of the facilitating thanks so much great

01:19:16

great work thank you thanks thanks everyone thank you everyone have a beautiful evening you soon that's out all thank you uh