Video: 2022-10-14 FoTL Call (DocDrop)

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and now it's instantaneous there's not like a five second Gap um cool okay so this is the Frida The Fellowship of the link call for Friday October 14th 2022 so close to being a

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Friday the 13th but it was not um yeah interesting so I'm interested in where everybody's head is well like what's up for you that has anything to do with our little world here

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All Right audience come on what are we up to yeah so I think Chris disappear he had to step away for a sec okay and he's back somebody was knocking at

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the door oh yeah yeah I gotta deal with that this one does when reality interrupts yeah so yeah well I I can get started yeah

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please uh yeah so let's see well I mean like I when I took one on this it was like a little work it's like you know like uh so yeah that's I guess that's a that's gone for

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me yeah so it does yeah quality planning roll map for Missy here so yeah it's like a planning season um and like promo you know this kind of

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thing uh and um yeah some personal issues you know like early in the year but those are looking fine you know like it's like a real growth growth in that sense and then there

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there is yeah for me you know like so uh I always the way I I think I will date um yes like the final you know they go ahead from the editors

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and you know for the uh for the book oh good the one that Matthew is also writing [Music] oh really I have some serious concerns about the publisher in terms of what

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they're doing and how they're doing it so like oh okay so that's very interesting I'll let you make your own decision but the I'm seeing better contracts from vanity Publishers

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you know if you're an academic and you just need to be published great maybe it's an acceptable thing but I I saw it and I was like you know

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interesting Publishers chasing me for roughly the same material yeah I'm like okay I'll take a better payday and use it for that you know I appreciate the perspect of her coming

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from and where it's going and what it will accomplish but for me as an individual contributing you know a couple hundred hours of work essentially for free

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uh and it's the only person who makes money off of this that I can tell unless there is a contract off on the side for the editors is the publisher but you know

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right but wait isn't it works [Music] well it works but in this case they're essentially it's the they're using an academic publishing model

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where the publisher makes all the money and the people who do the work are not benefiting whatsoever man most of the people who from what I can tell are like flancian who have other

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interests that this might support and that's lovely but they're taking 20 authors who all have pre-existing platforms for pushing and promoting and selling the book which

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is free publicity for the publisher and then you know you know unless they offered fluency on some dramatically different contract than the one I saw you get a couple free copies of the book

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and that that's really it so you're not going to see it flancian and Matthew Lowry are contributing to a group published book uh and Chris was part of that and then pointed out that the contract did not

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seem very good for anybody except the publisher so that's the conversation we're in uh who is the publisher uh it's a a relatively new concern that I can tell they've only put out about two or three

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books one of which is a book by one of the editors yeah they already knew yeah um

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possibly the editors may have a dramatically different contract where they may see some benefit [Music] um but I it was like what all this work for

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if I were an academic I would approach it maybe dramatically differently but even then it's not like this is a publication that Springer elsevier or some major academic

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platform is putting out and it's going to guarantee at least you know 10 000 copies of books or libraries in which case my opinion would be slightly different yeah but because

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the world got nature yeah given the size and nature of what this publisher is and what they're doing what's what's the name of the publisher is

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the name of the group uh other book sorry and the uh uh an evil Village is kind of the instigator I think

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where the instigator person is Evo Village Cove publishing and editing things so he he may get some intangibles out of it in the from the academy

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but the average group of people who are in the the literally the boilerplate contract I saw was I saw it and laughed and I I've been so bad sending it to my attorney

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who then skimmed through it I don't think he even read the whole thing he responded and said yeah you should like I I don't know these people so

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there's no other attachment to say like oh yeah how about you pass on my behalf because I'm like yeah yeah so it wasn't even worth in his opinion he was like there's a

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thing you can go back to and say is a negotiating tactic I want at least you know I want a favorite nation's status with every other participant including the editors and he's like this isn't

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even worth doing that for so interesting um so you don't negotiate against yourself you say my contract should be at least the minimum of what everyone

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else is getting that way if an editor or some other big player comes in right and says and suddenly they're getting thousands of dollars for their participation at least you get that as

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well and he's like yeah in my case um I just saw a movie as a recent duel um actually finish something and I put something in like a real estate you know 30 pages and I actually the the term I

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was concerned about uh was the one that they wanted is you know exclusive publishing rights and like and so on and I was like well I actually wanted to be creative accounts

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sounds fair ostensibly for your part of the participation you at least are getting PR and publicity for the average exactly exactly what I was writing and

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how I was writing and how it fit into the thing it made no sense for me particularly now I've got two other Publishers who want to put out a longer full book length thing on the thing I'm working on

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well I am personally um like found my these shoes because like they find that you're in the world wasn't one of the coolest facts about one of the draws yeah yeah it's almost like I mean you know like honestly yeah

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I was like if Chris is here yeah so now okay no no it's fine that's all the people as well but yeah I guess I'm I'm just saying these in a first thank you for

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sharing second ability on your walk I I don't know that it's even too much of a loss on their part because I I was doing a history overview that would have been useful and

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helpful with the audience who was reading all the other pieces but if you looked at the table of contents mine was by far and away the thing that did not fit with all the others so you know I

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don't I don't think it's too big a loss for the overall yeah um yeah I mean I honestly I don't know if I were there I just got feedback from the haters like they read the thing and I got like I know 80 Google those comments

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and I haven't even looked into them yet this weekend because I they told me not to take action until they had done the whole thing so you know I just didn't look because it's like suitable so yeah this weekend I will

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take a look and see whether it can be whether the patient is still alive yeah right I mean uh yeah let me ask a different question um Chris if Chris or anybody if you were to go create a

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modern version of a book like object that was interesting and woven into the web and all those kinds of things what publishing method Tool Company would you use I would publish it myself I've got

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enough experience and yeah using using some of the models they're using because they're publishing it also and I'm not sure how they're gonna gatekeep the website portion of it but ostensibly

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they're going to publish it as a knowledge graph on the web and concert with the book itself but I'm not sure how they're gonna gatekeep the open web part of it because everyone's is out

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there on the open web it's you know a free-for-all fair game I perhaps they could Define an hour that's my pitch but you know foreign

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one of the Clauses in here that was really sad is they not only wanted my thing as a piece of a broader hole for the book but they also wanted exclusive

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Eternal rights to my chapter to published felt like and I'm like no that's that's horrible like suddenly I become a famous author I'm Stephen

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King and then you now own the freestanding publishing rights to do with whatever you want like you know they they literally just way over ask for everything and yeah that's

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really unusual area [Music] but you know for what it's worth it seemed very open to teaching the terms

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they offered were so bad literally like you're negotiating against yourself um yeah okay so um until November 15th or so one month

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two years two years in November the first school cool so there's a few things that may actually make it a little more friendly hopefully

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um I'm clear let's see thank you that sounds awesome or yeah who was it like to check in foreign thing to talk about that I've seen pop

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up recently which one um so the French research group I'm trying to remember Fairmont the name of it um I don't remember which one you're

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referring to yes I didn't know it or seen about it um until early this week

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um I actually had a kind of a fun name yeah and this is so this is the context and I know today now right

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oh this is Arthur height this is um gotcha yeah and and Kata basically doesn't touch the original files it basically lets you visualize what's in a file right

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but it was also I think that sort of approach that we I think we all wish more tools were taking in the space of give me a data store of basic text and

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we'll do something interesting with it um so that's probably one of the more interesting things I've seen or kind of and I haven't even fully been able to play around with it yet

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um and then you know on top of that I've been trying to massage a few quirky things that have popped up with the recent update of obsidian warning have

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you looked at Cosmic um yeah this one yes I'm in contact with Paul Roney the developer and probably gonna run a podcast uh with him in fact

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I should I should run a podcast episode with some of you all um uh and it seems like there's a bunch of visual note-taking um things a cosmics origin story is is

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uh explicitly tied to commonplace books by the way Chris [Music] yeah that's that's true but some of them are like understand that

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uh here's a post uh here's a post where Paul talks about um but I'm seeing a whole bunch of different platforms and apps and things

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in this space that are hard to distinguish from each other another one is fermot from Batoon [Music] um

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and I I need I need better uh framing in my head for how these things all fit next to each other yeah I mean I really go back to the map

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topic uh that we were talking about last month that's true um yes I mean I really like our minds and like you know very basic formats

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into a thing from there but so okay so the way I will the way I mean destroying the space is like very nice [Music] so those have been like yeah all those

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of course is a readily low risk of a lot in them because of trying them out because once you have one database then you can try like 30 tools in 10 days

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[Music] um so that would be the exploration I mean most interesting is anybody heard of standoff projects or stand-up tests yeah yeah

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exactly yeah he's amazing and he is the standard property person yeah [Music] yeah um it's kind of like a friendly back and forth on like

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you know set up properties versus markup and stand-up properties basically said hey you should put metadata outside of the data file they're trying to squeeze them all into the data file just messes

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things up exactly yeah I mean especially will be more like a land approach to and then of course is like a space age for the you know

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this is in my mind yes and it's code how close is codex to being working code I've not seen it yeah I mean you know it's really working

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on like a secret engineer uh earlier this year I think um I.E support man but um I need to check on that yeah I guess I mean playfully saying you know like do we

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will have an open source score if so yeah I'm in any way because when I see the day most and so on he's just I mean honestly um

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this may even work for him so information like he will be uh his [Music] yeah Grim Iverson and a couple others yeah

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yeah yeah the one thing that concerns me and I saw it earlier this week is they're also not playing the open source but we're being kind of open enough and it's the same sort of the issue that

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could be aimed at um obsidian as well we're we're open the way Twitter was open in the early days but we're doing

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it in a way that we could literally close the gates tomorrow and you're all screwed um and this breaks what clay Shirkey used to nicely call the plausible promise

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yeah which is hey this thing is going to be available open source forever whatever you contribute will be you know put back in the in the public domain is Obsidian even open source

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open source no no no it's not no no they also cut if I'm not mistaken I think they come from was it notion or some other bigger corporate background

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that is a totally closed Source model so I mean they they do this and they've got a plug-in architecture that allows them to you know hopefully they go make the WordPress route

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and these things open as an ecosystem from here on out but I it's too easy for these companies to come in and take not only mind sharing mind space yeah but

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then you know they take all the developers and then do everything and then as a developer you either sell out to them to make something back from your thing or do you just yeah it is very

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close to an enclosure it comes I mean in my mind these uh you know if um open source Community aspects uh foreign [Music]

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uh yeah I was uh the main thing that's on top of my mind right now is a list of tools tools so we may not be discussing that today

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and that's fine um we're breaking off in committees and so one committee is for our debate tools but we figured we'd include our tools

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for thought as one of the categories of our systems um so you know we just want to coordinate with everyone on how we're scoring and modifying that data

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so I'd like to discuss that at some point that sounds great yeah and I'm sorry that uh Matthew isn't on this call or can't make this one but he's hot and

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heavy on the same sort of thing so yeah I'm happy to open the the can of worms and talk about it now uh in particular if there's questions that are like near the surface for you that you want to float with us no I think it's an open

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discussion it's a passion yeah but yeah other than that I'm just listening um I'll do a short check-in um and uh I just came back from two weeks in Europe

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uh one week with this really really lovely conference called unfinished uh which is unfinished.ro there's an American knockoff called unfinished live uh done by Frank McCourt and his like

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wealthy people which I'm angry at uh so and that happened a week before this unfinished in Romania in in New York but then finished in Romania is 10 years old um I tried to be sort of mediator

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between the two but they didn't treat the Romanians very nicely anyway the Romanian thing is more of an art and technology and serious issues kind of all mixed together um first three people I met were young Brazilians one of them is his name is

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makul uh it turns out a singer-songwriter De Paris and winds up being our wandering Minstrel around the campus where this conference is held uh narrating and singing fluidly as if he had just invented the whole narrative

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like just so talented then I meet a young uh two young Brazilians who are rappers singer-songwriters Instagram and uh uh Tom Tick Tock Stars whose photography

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skills are already off the charts when he started like flicking through his thing but he has a really bad stutter and so when he raps it's completely fluid and fabulous and they're both like really good singer dancers

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um in lots of different genres but then he you stop and talk and he has like a a big impediment speaking and they were just lovely um so made friends with them and then like McCool immediately like and what do

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you do well like I do this brain thing I do this he's like and then he starts asking perfect questions about the brain so I open up my brain we get the talk and it was really really interesting so the week was like that

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um on a broad campus I gave a keynote that I'm looking forward to seeing online which was how I got the the backstory of how I got the thesis for the speech I recorded and presented two years earlier

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when when unfinished was virtual and that speech is called um trust is the only way forward so basically did that then the next week I went to Lithuania because I had put on my my network hey I'm going to be in

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Europe what else should I do and this little conference about management development being held in the second largest city in Lithuania count us said come here um and and how does they did not record

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the speeches so that one's not going to show up online unless I reproduce it but I like that a lot because I got to talk about how we're in the Titanic battle over the narratives in our heads and how all the stuff that we care about

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here kind of plays into that uh because I just got off the off a zoom uh with the fellow who has a a game um John and Bentley he mentioned that he

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knows you on them who has a gamish thing called policy keys and we had a good conversation I I it

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was very interesting we were resonating on a bunch of different interesting things yeah I don't know if you want to talk about uh any of your action interactions with him but

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um uh it's been pretty small so yeah but yeah so partly what policy Keys seems to have

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is he's trying to gamify uh Civic discussions around policy issues so there'll be a policy question on the table uh like there should be a there should be should there be an employer's living wage tax credit is one that he

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showed me and then he'll deconstruct that into a series of pro and con arguments and then take different people's points of view and when you play the game you take different parties points of view on the issue

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and then somehow through magic I didn't we didn't have time to go through um you figure out which of the different issues that are numbered on the sides are the bottleneck issues or the hot issues for each of the constituencies and that gets interesting

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and there's a bunch of other stuff there but I I was coming back to the idea that if he opened that up as a playground as a Sandbox architecture of some sort then he could connect to society library to

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system.com to kumu to a bunch of other tools to enhance all of the goodies that are that are kind of in the mix for what he's trying to do because he's trying to get people to slow down and say we seem to agree on these four things and

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disagree on these two things maybe we're closer to each other than we think and we can agree on something so pretty pretty uh pretty interesting there um what he's got is not elegant like the software's not beautiful and he's not a

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coder um but I like I like what he's building it's it's directionally really really interesting [Music] so that's by way of me checking in

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[Music] thank you [Music] [Music] [Music] uh Virginia privacy regulation and

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changes to California privacy regulation I've been putting in a lot of time reading law documents um lawyers documents but beyond that I did share a link I

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spotted this uh project sane.fyi that looked like it was very much in our wheelhouse um I don't know what our policy is for inviting people or how we handle it or

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what the tools are but uh I thought this um this person item might be interesting to invite she would be great and she's showing up in conversations for at betaworks where they're doing the tools

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for thinking uh Camp she's uh a person we're probably going to approach for a podcast episode through them so I don't know how that showed up but um it'd be great to invite her if you want and try to dig into that a little it

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seems very linked to the blockchain uh which you know I'm not a huge fan of um oh yeah it is it's not necessarily like

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uh the end of the world or you know the project but it certainly does raise the flag of some color yeah yeah beyond that just been trying to uh

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fix some technical issues in my archiving tool for tweets uh my big my big problem um that I'm trying to solve with this is

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I do a lot of my writing on Twitter and a lot of conversations through tweets because I one of the reasons is because I like retweeting and adding comments quote tweets um but then of course people delete

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their quote tweets not out of like an intense delete a particular tweet because uh an increasing number of people have a policy to just delete their old tweets that's weird

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it has to do with the fact that um it's now sort of standard operating procedure for any journalist or media personality or a writer with a sufficient audience or YouTuber with a

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sufficient audience if they rise into the crosshairs of the alt-right medium issue machine like thing number one they do is the alt right knee machine starts holding through their old tweets and

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they put something to pick an issue with yeah right and take it out of context and turn it into a big deal and try and get the person fired wow um so I would like to capture those

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tweets locally where they are not going to be concerned about we tweet something that will cause a problem for a person but she's archiving them but the problem is that uh it is very difficult to get

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on-page tweets to look like tweets on the site and the embed tools that Twitter provides has two problems the first is

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their API contract is that tweets that are embedded even though the embed includes a block quote of the tweet if the if the Tweet is embedded it calls back

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to the API and if that tweet is deleted it will hide the block quote um and the other problem is that uh just the style and stuff looks pretty

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meh um so and it's very difficult to do um but then on top of that there's like features that I want to put in where like now you can see edited tweets back to those

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um but it's quite difficult to capture it all and get the archive version to look precisely like it should look um and it seems like everyone who has tried to do this has just rolled their

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own version and like guys [Music] um that's all I really want um but yeah so I've been digging in on

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that and trying to get that working better I mean there's Twitter is so like weirdly ephemeral on a lot of places and our terms of services really aggressively against archivists yeah

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it's a really nasty ways uh but I figure as long as I sort of pack it together they're not they're not going to come after me um fun fact uh WordPress secretly is all

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tweets also automatically for a couple years back um and they just never got it was never noticed um one interesting uh possibility will be

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to like you know archives who want to uh recently archives they have seen right I think just from the argument that you know I use surface

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basis then you go have the argument you know the archive you need when there's an additional archive is fine and there's a lot of this um to some extent and I think uh so my and

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you know like you know I run more service Maybe maybe but you know right away the right way it seems yeah I mean that's the problem right like without the styling

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it's it's much more difficult to lead especially when you're dealing with retweets and the Twitter API I don't know if it's intentional or not but it makes very difficult right

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yeah you can retrieve a tweet but then you have to make a separate query to get some sometimes to the code tweet sometimes yes the image and if there's a video for the

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video for the audio um it's really overly complicated and most of the API packages out there are not um really that effective any other

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problem is like it's impossible to use the invented scale right if I want to have a collection of tweets like a tweet bread um the way that the API is set up is

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that by default it adds the the script call every time uh and you can get around that but it's not easy and then on top of that if you have separate tweets that you want to sort together on

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a page each of those embeds query back all of this stuff from Twitter and it makes the page incredibly slow um so like it's just not possible to use

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their embeds if you're using maybe two all foreign [Music] it's very fast okay I'll check that out I didn't

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realize that I had just assumed that this was not an open source because it looked like a sort of piece of complexity a little complexity would try and sell but okay this is

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useful yeah yeah and this is pretty solid um if I remember too they they um dovetail with Instagram

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and I give them as a means in the past of pulling photo URLs to be able to download originals and photos yes you know full sale and size which Instagram

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[Music] um I'm curious though since you look at it it's been a couple months since I've checked into you know Twitter archive abilities but

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if you had to recommend a poor man's version of it to someone with no coding skill do you have a favorite hello put a thread into

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and they'll create a page with the full thread on it and then you can archive that to like a Wayback machine or something yeah writer is really interesting for a couple of reasons um I don't personally like it but I

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don't mind when people use it I do a lot of Twitter threads and people use it on my threads all the time that's fine I don't care um but there are people who feel um that threader is stealing their work

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off of Twitter and uh well I don't agree with that position I can understand where they're coming from um but the more the more difficult problem for me and this is especially my

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big problem with a lot of these Twitter archiving tools is that they divorce it from the context right so you don't really understand these tweets as individual tweets which I think is important for reading Twitter threads

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and you don't have the opportunity to interact with individual tweets right what I want from a Twitter tool is not I just said it archives it but that there's a repeat button on there or a like button on there or a reply button

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on there that it brings you back to Twitter and that's what's usually lacking and everything but the embed and in Twitter has like they have what they call intense links which makes it very easy to manage that once you have all

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the Twitter information but collecting it all and assembling it all into something that looks good and is readable is could you send me their info

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um because yeah tell me how do you prefer people than an lccasionally their email your email I'll CC all of us because I agree it would be nice to coordinate on this and this has

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always been like um a problem I've seen in archivists in the archives realm right um what I used to work for a senator Studio media we have this problem too where we wanted to Archive tweets for

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the most part I think basically just building a way to automatically screenshot them which is all right yeah I meant okay so um so uh sorry um I

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wanted to say uh on the question of what is the easiest way I know but for what it's worth is a sign up for a growth poster failures

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and essentially Retreat or quote call Tweet everything you want to save it is basic but it is very it is wait sorry whichever you signing up for did you say

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uh foreign yeah essentially uh you know oh so you're like putting Twitter yeah but that also breaks all the links like yeah there's a lot of ways to do basic archiving where you can

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capture the data in the Tweet but not uh but it doesn't get the full data and usually the media is stripped out if there's media there right I agree sorry my party

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in any format you want to disk like you know in our compatible like a repository of files and second you know add these features essentially get data data from

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Twitter and dump it as well or uh yeah they provide an attorney from them so you know like it has like a 1.5 000 users [Music]

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in the favors [Music] um we are saving the user data because it's the user data and the user has told us that we want

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this so if you don't like it you're going to complete the phrase yeah I mean that's sort of one of the interesting things I was trying to dig into as well which is you can export your entire database of Twitter from

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Twitter right you can ask for a data background it gives you a lot of data for that database which is yes interesting though not really what I want either

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um and so that was like the other thing that I wanted to do once I got this sort of tweet capturing process done um I could oh I'll take a look at that I could

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um essentially just dump it into like so just for about DMS which I assume are in there and dump it into a GitHub repo and then just have like a local copy of my

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own Twitter built by A Satisfied generator exactly yeah the links in those tweets and archive them it opens up a whole bunch of other useful pieces

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um that I would like to do in the favorites foreign [Music] [Music] sidebar so it should be uh

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in the hour which is what I say my voice yes as well because all of us are using it all at once

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after what because we're all using it all at once you think no actually he's like uh I I I've been meaning to uh to move to another server

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yes right I was just popping off the search awesome okay yeah actually for some reason

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and the account is this one I know they uh I know they always they change the account actually we should negotiate or talk about a better time for these calls yes that'll

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be awesome um uh so Wednesday you're saying would be good or anybody else was Wednesday a hard stop or an okay thing for anybody else oh it depends on the time but that's

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way to be clear Friday is that terrible it's just this exact hour that's terrible right um for me uh but yeah I mean Wednesday uh

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after 2 p.m Eastern I'm usually pretty clear and I mean I know we I know we got like we're going late for some people but we were trying to move around for um

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hypothesis Whaley um but he's only made one call and I'm like let's let's sort of move back to some place where we're really comfortable uh uh yeah for me Friday sometimes

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um it is to complete more with like social thing because it's a Friday evening here and sometimes I'm like you know um like I really want to make it but then it's like you know yes

00:52:32

International symbol for cocktail hour you're right right uh Yes sounds great so so Thursdays when and Wednesdays I can find room I just want to sort of land at some place where it's uh

00:52:43

convenient for most of us um so I I could do Wednesdays at 10 A.M Thursdays at 10 A.M Pacific and here my times are Pacific

00:52:56

at 10 A.M and we don't have Matthew on the call and he was the one who was trying to coordinate us so we need to pick something let's let's go back and forth on the matter most channel for the fellowship

00:53:15

and uh maybe proposed Wednesday at 10 see if see how that floats for everybody and then go from there yeah it's very possible I have I have a lock in on Wednesday at that time Wednesdays when would work for your arm

00:53:32

oh so you said basically from 11 o'clock Pacific so from 2 p.m on on Wednesday would work for you uh is that correct yes yeah so that's yeah the the one that's what um

00:53:47

yeah from 11 A.M Pacific onward so how's 11 A.M Pacific for other people on Wednesdays good for Chris Bentley why don't we start by proposing 11 on Wednesdays and then see where that goes

00:54:04

Google on the on the thread and shall we stop this call at the top of the hour the rest of us want to stay and keep going for a bit on this oh I have to jump too so okay let's melt the call uh let's melt the call now

00:54:17

um and that's good because stupid jitsy doesn't let me record more than an hour at a time and then I don't have two parts to upload and S simplifies life so much you want to just be on the call for a long time to see if it breaks

00:54:39

yes but I didn't turn the recording on right at the start but good question yeah sure will be exciting cool um how does how does the internet archive solve the Twitter archival problem

00:54:57

because they give a big damn about this right it's interesting right because they have a very different and they're very different um set of goals around their archiving

00:55:13

right which is they don't really care about preserving the social engagement or anything like that they're just on a record of it right so where they do preserve tweets um and they've gone back and forth on this and I think some users are

00:55:24

preserved and some users are not uh they do so use it the same way like they just take each tweet as an individual web page and they preservatives work files the same way that they preserve the rest of the web

00:55:38

which is fine for what they're trying to do right yeah and it sort of does Rob it of anything else I mean that in fact most people don't even use I like is not very consistent about which

00:55:57

accounts archives and when um so very often when people want to Archive tweets for themselves they use like archive.is or whatever URL it's sitting at these days or something like

00:56:09

that or you can use something like rhizomes archival tool or that type of thing um but in all those cases what's generating is a work which is if you're not familiar with it it's basically like

00:56:20

a baked version of the web experience and so it's not super useful for sharing outside of like viewing as an archive

00:56:32

whereas what I want out of my tweets is a more uh more contextualized yeah yeah makes sense [Music]

00:56:46

very interesting um and and the archive has open lunch on every Friday and since pandemic you can join through Zoom so feel oh like like Fridays you can just show up for lunch

00:56:59

with the archive they usually have a guest speaker they usually even have a musician five minutes if you join at five minutes before the before noon Pacific on Fridays you will get a 10 minute musical performance by somebody

00:57:11

they've invited into to entertain um and I did I did a guest talk about my brain my use of the brain at the archive [Music] to be honest I'm not a huge fan of San

00:57:28

Francisco about the web archive is one of the few locations that I really really enjoyed every time I've been there yeah it's a fascinating project yeah and uh Jason's called right uh he's

00:57:42

very active and yes yeah I was sad I got um actually I tweeted about this but like way back during [Music] um

00:57:56

uh uh during gamergate one of the people who was dealing with abuse was one of the people who would have been eventually go to set up

00:58:07

um block party which is the shared block list application um and at the time I was just off being a games journalist so I was very vocal talking about it and trying to support

00:58:20

folks who were getting abuse thrown at them by the whole gamer Gators mess um but the person who was managing the block list just went and added a whole bunch of people to it but they didn't

00:58:31

really know but they were like this person's being involved and I don't know who they are therefore they must be bad so that block list ended up in block party app and when

00:58:44

um uh the person we were just talking about Jason writing text files on Twitter but it shows how much time I spend on Twitter I can remember yeah

00:58:56

um but he recently got under a bunch of views because somebody spread some of this information about the web archive so he put on a block last time got blocked uh which is frustrating yeah

00:59:10

this is the problem with that and it is you know there's a whole other conversation to talk about automated blocking tools you definitely need them but on the other hand they're going to be frustrating

00:59:22

very much so yes and this is reminding of the problem just imagine